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Re: a letter begging for a proper reply
By:jawaid ahmed,uk
Date: Wednesday, 25 April 2012, 9:58 am
In Response To: a letter begging for a proper reply (shahid ali khan hyderabad)

I re-iterate that the Quran gives no authority to follow the hadith and sunnah of man, but because you asked the question I thought it was only politically correct if I give a brief answer to the criticisms. I hope this is helpful.

[Criticism #1:
Any hadith that go against nature or natural sciences is fabricated.
“O fire, be coolness and peace for Ibrahim.” (Surah Anbiya [21]: Ayah 69)
What are we to say about fires that are meant to bring coolness? If we are to reject ahadith on this principle then the same can be said for this ayah as well, but the Ahl-e-Quran would never raise this point when discussing Ayahs; why this prejudice against ahadith only? An explanation has never been given. ]

The Quran uses allegories to make those who want to think, think.

3:7 (The Book He has sent down, bears an important Principle.) He is the One Who has revealed to you (O Prophet) the scripture. In it some verses are literal, while some verses are allegorical. The verses that pertain to Permanent Values have been presented literally. These verses, Muhkamat, are the essence of the Divine law. But abstract phenomena, some historical events, and the World of the Unseen are described in similes, metaphors and allegories (Mutashaabihaat) for your understanding. But those who are given to crookedness in their hearts pursue the allegories and try to give them literal meanings, thus creating dissension of thought. None encompasses their final meaning (of such as the Essence of God, His Throne, His Hand, His Book of Decrees, the exact mode of revelation on the heart of the Messengers, the Eternity) but God. Those who are well founded in knowledge understand why the allegories have been used and they keep learning from them. They proclaim the belief that the entire Book is from their Lord. As the human knowledge evolves, more and more allegories will unfold their literal meaning. But only the men and women of understanding will bear this fact in mind.

Syed Jalaluddin Quadri has said allegories in the Quran are the same as unscientific statements in the hadith! There is definitely crookedness in his heart. If I dip the wing of a diseased fly into my tea after it has already fallen in, it will remove any problem, which clearly demonstrates that the fairy tale author of this hadith does not know about micro-organisms. Numerous other hadith have the same unscientific bases whereas the Quran has only scientific truths or allegories which require understanding.
21:69 needs no further explanation than the one presented here:-

21:69 But We said, "O fire! Be cool, and security for Abraham!" [The fire of their rage soon cooled down. 29:24-26, 37:88-89]

[Criticism #2:
Ahadith suggest that Allah has a throne and the sun prostrates Allah.
“To Allah prostrate all things that are in the skies and on earth,- the sun, the moon, the stars; the hills, the trees.” (Surah Hajj [22], ayah 18)
Not only the sun but other things as well prostrate Allah.
“The seven skies declare His glory and the earth (too), and those who are in them; and there is not a single thing but glorifies Him with His praise, but you do not understand their glorification; surely He is Forbearing, Forgiving.”
(Surah Al Isra, ayah 44)
We can’t understand their worship but we have to acknowledge their worship whether it is mentioned in Quran or Ahadith, why reject one and acknowledge the other?
Now does Allah have a throne?
“And His Throne was upon the water.” (Surah Hud [11], ayah 7) ]

When we assign the wrong meaning to a word we end up with the wrong understanding and idiots can then make fun of the Quran because their beloved hadith are being challenged. It is easy to see what their “worship” is, but we need to think about it and remove the ancestral baggage we have adopted as our religion!
22:18 Do you not see that whoever is in the heavens and on earth, the sun and the moon, the stars and the mountains, the trees, the animals, and a great many of human beings submit to God? And there are a great many human beings who make themselves deserving of retribution. And those whom God will disgrace, none can raise them to honour. For, God does everything according to His laws.

I prefer the words “are obedient to God” rather than submit, although the two are the same the latter leaves no doubt that we should be following what Allah has revealed, just like everything else is acting according to their programming/natural laws.

17:44 All the seven Highs and their Lows, and all beings in them are working His Plan, displaying that He is Praiseworthy. All creatures are playing their role in the Universe. In your present state of knowledge, you do not understand their exact modes of action. God, the Clement, the Absolver of imperfections, sustains and maintains them in Order.

The above clears up the all singing, all dancing universe which sings hallelujah all night long, all night, all night long. Allah has devised the universe where there is cause and effect, evolution of what is better/best suited [as opposed to survival of the fittest; think about this distinction, which subtle but extremely important], and He is Praiseworthy because of this. We display this praiseworthiness by doing what we are told, not having marathon singing competitions!

[Criticism #3:
Any such hadith will be considered fabricated which suggests that the tree cried.
“We made the mountains, and the birds to celebrate Our praise.” (Surah Anbiya [21], ayah 79)
What are we to say about mountains which praise Allah, not only that some rocks fear Allah.
“And indeed there are rocks which fall down for the fear of Allah.” (Surah Baqarah [2], ayah 74)
So first reject these ayahs then criticise ahadith; if not and certainly not, then why not believe in ahadith which carry a similar meaning and are also revealed by Allah? ]

I certainly will reject those ayahs that have been incorrectly understood and replace them with a better explanation, thank you for the suggestion!
21:79 We gave Solomon great understanding of the affairs of the state, and each of them We endowed with wisdom and knowledge. It was Our Power that made the tribal leaders (loyal to David so that they could) strive to manifest Our glory as did the horse riders of the strong Tribe of At-Taeer. We are the One Who did all these things.
[Jibaal = Mountains = The elite = Top leadership. At-Taeer = The birds = The „flying‟ horsemen = A Tribe in Syria-Palestine with excellent cavalry. „We did‟ = We made it possible]

The above has a tribe of horsemen who believed in the revelation of Solomon, not birds.
Yusuf Ali has:-
2:74. Thenceforth were your hearts hardened: They became like a rock and even worse in hardness. For among rocks there are some from which rivers gush forth; others there are which when split asunder send forth water; and others which sink for fear of Allah. And Allah is not unmindful of what ye do.

Dr Shabbir:-
2:74 Then, even after that, you persisted in defiance so much so that your hearts became hardened as rocks, impermeable to reason or even worse. For, there are rocks out of which streams gush forth, and there are rocks that split asunder so that streams flow from them. And yet there are rocks that become soft in awe of God. God is not unaware of what you do. [Rocks may become soft according to Divine laws in nature. They are more compliant than the hearts that defy reason]

Both are showing the allegory of people who do not listen to the truth, who will not change their ways through ancestral worship, wrong practises, wrong beliefs. Their “hearts are hardened” in the same way as their eyes are blind, ears deaf, mouths dumb:-
2:18 Deaf, dumb and blind of reason! They will not return to journey in the right direction (unless they use their perceptual and conceptual faculties. 8:22, 16:76, 17:36).

Is my honourable Syed going to tell us that everyone described above are actually deaf, dumb and blind? If not, then the hardening of hearts, the hearts of stone, rock, are what is being described in the rest of the verse, not granite or sand stone boulders. The people who are stone hearted stay this way no matter what they are told, while others realise the eror o their ways and soften to the truth.

]Criticism #4:
Hadith grants paradise to people if they say the kalima only.
Well, some get paradise by saying our lord is Allah.
“Those who say: Our Lord is Allah, and afterward are upright, the angels descend upon them, saying: Fear not nor grieve, but hear good tidings of the paradise which ye are promised.” (Surah Ha Meem Sajda [41], ayah 30)
The hadith is just like the above ayah, where after saying ‘Our lord Allah’ they have to remain firm in their belief. ]

The man does not understand the Quran which clearly states that we must walk on the straight path, do the right things, in order to gain paradise:-
41:30 As for those who say, "Our Lord is God", and then remain steadfastly upright; upon them descend angels, saying, "Fear not, and grieve not, but hear good news of the Paradise that you are promised. [„Angels descending and saying‟ = Divine laws supporting the steadfastly upright who submit to God alone. 3:124-125, 8:10-12, 33:43, 46:13]

The hadith says that we just have to say the kalmia and we will be forgiven! Also, just doing the namaazi prayers will get your previous sins forgiven, regardless of whether you continue to do them afterwards. If he cannot see the difference between the two, then I direct him back to 2:18 [though he will not be able to read it!].

[Criticism #5:
Hadith forgives people’s sins if they perform small acts such as ablution.
Ablution is a very commendable act, it is done for salaat but the Quran grants forgiveness just by saying a word and prostrating.
“Enter the gate prostrate, and say: ‘Repentance’ We will forgive you your sins and will increase (reward) for the right-doers.” (Surah Baqarah [2], ayah 58) ]

Read the context of what the Quran is saying:-
2:58 Then We commanded you, “Enter this town and enjoy the provisions therein, partake as you desire. But enter the gate with heart-felt humility, saying, “Hittatun.” (O Our Lord! Pardon our misdeeds as we mend our ways). And We shall forgive you your faults and amply reward the doers of good.”
[„This town‟ = Can‟aan = The land of Palestine. See 5:21, 7:161]
2:59 But, the transgressors altered the meaning of the word they had been given, and changed their attitude of humility and perseverance. So, We brought down upon the transgressors consequences from the sky for, they repeatedly drifted away from the commandments.
[Rijz = Weak, shaky legs = Loss of determination and resolve = Losing individual and collective strength = Becoming lazy = Replacing action with word. 7:134-135, 7:162, 29:34. Fisq = Drifting away from the commands or from discipline = „Sin‟ = Disregarding moral values. Divinely determined consequences = Divine Law of Requital. You became shaky in your resolve losing discipline and courage, therefore, the Promised Land became forbidden to you for forty years. 2:61, 3:21, 5:22-26]

You have to walk the walk in order to get forgiveness, it is not unconditional [no belief in human sacrifice, Jesus, or we are the promised people so God will forgive our sins!].
The gate in Judaism was where the towns people congregated for their discussions, council meetings, so they were told to uphold the truth when deciding affairs. 2:59 shows them transgressing, altering the meaning of words, all for their own petty benefit, so they punished themselves by their own wrong acts.
Again, just do ablution and this washes your sins, without washing your hearts and minds of wrong thoughts; the Quran does not remotely compare to this nonsense.

[Criticism #6:
Why do ahadith have conflicting reports regarding one matter? This alone proves their fabrication.
What are you to say when there is an ayah that doesn’t tell a precise event but rather shows some ambiguity?
“And We sent him to a hundred thousand or more.” (Surah Saaffat [37], ayah 147) ]

A report comes in one newspaper describing the result of the same football match saying Manchester United 3, Arsenal 4, and in another paper Manchester United 7, Arsenal 0. The two reports are contradicting one another. One or both are wrong; the two of them cannot be both right. That is a contradiction.
Ambiguity is where we do not have a 100 account, we may that Manchester won the match and not give the result. It is absurd to suggest that a hadith that says one thing is fine even though we have another that says something completely different about the same event; Gospel truth is not gospel truth!

[Criticism #7:
Hadith insults Ibraheem (Alaihi Salaam) by stating he lied three times.
First of all it should be clear we disagree with the translation in this regard but for arguments sake we are presenting this ayah.
“They said: Have you done this to our gods, O Ibrahim?
He said: No, this was done by this biggest one! Ask him, if he can speak..” (Surah Anbiya [21], ayah 62-63)
Now what are we to call this? Whatever the reason it would be termed a lie.
This is one of the three events the hadith refers to, so criticise Quran first.
The word used in hadith is ‘Kazib’, which usually means ‘lie’, but it also means ‘mistake, an arrow not hitting the target, or something said which has dual meaning etc’.
The appropriate meaning of kazib in this hadith would be ‘something said which has dual meaning’. ]

Derive your understanding of the Quran from the hadith and you get a lie, from the Quran only viewpoint you get Abraham teaching them a lesson:

21:60 Some said, "We heard a youth talking about them; he is called Abraham."
21:61 The custodians of the temple conferred and said, “Then bring him before the people‟s eyes, so that they might bear witness.”
21:62 (And when he came) they asked, "Is it you who has done this to our gods, O Abraham?"
21:63 Abraham grabbed the opportunity of driving home the point, "Whoever did it, did it. This is their chief. Ask them if they speak."
[Important note: As many commentators of the Qur‟an, ancient and modern, that I am aware of, have mistranslated this verse simply for missing the punctuation after
„Fa‟aluh‟. They render the first part of the verse as, “This was done by the big one of them.” And then they go into defending in futility Prophet Abraham against uttering a lie. But, “This is their chief” is in fact a new sentence]
21:64 They were taken aback, withdrew, thought and said to one another, “Surely, you yourselves are the wrongdoers.” [You neglected the security of the powerless idols]
21:65 They were utterly confounded in shame, lowered their heads and said to Abraham, "You know that they do not speak."

[Criticism #8:
Is spit of the Prophet (SallAllah-u-Alaihi-wa-Sallam) meant to be a cure?
Yes, it is meant to be a cure. If a breath of a Prophet can bring things to life then the saliva of another prophet can be cure.
“That I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, that I determine for you out of dust like the form of a bird, then I breathe into it and it becomes a bird with Allah’s permission.” (Surah Aale Imran [3], ayah 49)
Allah shows miracles through His prophets. ]
I do not expect the ‘descendent’ of the Prophet to understand the meaning of this symbolic verse, M.Azad and G.A.Parwez did, and so does Dr Shabbir:-

3:49 And He will be a Messenger to the Children of Israel. He will say to them, “I come to you with revelation from your Lord. If you follow me, I will raise you from dust to the heights of glory by the command of God (7:176). The blind among you will begin to see the truth. Those of you who are spotted with sin, I will heal them, and I shall grant real life to those who are just dragging on without purpose; all by God‟s leave, according to His laws. I am here to establish justice and equity. I shall see to it how much you hoard in your houses and how much you spend on the community. My teachings are sufficient signs for you to believe.”

No miraculous breathing. No miracles mentioned in the Quran for any Messenger, especially the last:-
17:89 We have used Tasreef to explain The Qur‟an in many facets for mankind. However, most people (due to arrogance, prejudice or blind following) remain ungrateful by rejecting such clear guidance. [17:41]
17:90 (Instead of reflecting on it, they keep demanding physical miracles) and they say, “We will not believe in you until you cause a spring to gush forth from the earth.”
17:91 "Or unless you bring a garden of date palms and grape vines and cause rivers to gush forth in their midst."
17:92 "Or make the sky fall on us, as you keep warning us about retribution, or bring God and the angels face to face before us." [26:187, 6:35]
17:93 "Or unless you have a dazzling house of gold or unless you climb into the sky. But, nay, we will not believe your climbing unless you bring a written book that we can read." Tell them, “Glorified is my Lord! Am I more than a human, a Messenger?"
17:94 Yet whenever guidance came to people, nothing kept them from believing as much as this objection, "Would God send a mortal man as His Messenger?"
17:95 Say, "If angels walked about and dwelled on the earth, We would have sent an angel from the heaven as Messenger." [43:60]
17:96 Tell them, "God suffices as witness between me and you. Surely, He is fully Aware of His servants." [The outcome through His laws will prove who is right]
17:97 The rightly guided is the one who follows God‟s Guidance. Anyone who quits His way, has gone astray. You will not find any protectors for them outside His laws. On the Day of Resurrection, We will gather them together prone upon their faces, blind, dumb, and deaf. (That is how they lived their life.) Hell is their abode, and every time its flames abate, We shall increase for them its blazing flame.

[Criticism #9:
Any hadith that suggest that the throne of Allah shacked on someone’s death, such hadith is definitely fabricated.
“So the heaven and the earth did not weep for them.” (Surah Ad Dukhan [44], ayah 29)
What are you to say about the sky and earth not weeping on someone’s death? So does this mean it does weep on someone’s death.
If you are to say that it is only a figure of speech then the same can be said about the hadith, why reject one and accept the other? ]

44:29 Neither the heaven nor the earth wept over them, nor were they reprieved again.

Symbolic verse. Nothing was lost when the rejecters of truth ended up destroyed and they were not around to cry over their loss.
This is one way the corrupters of Deen work, they try to justify hadith by saying things that can be seen in the Quran can be seen in the hadith, but that still does not mean we should accept hadith because the Quran gives no authority to do so.

[Criticism #10:
Ahadith were collected and compiled by humans, they could have made mistakes. While for the Quran, Allah has promised its protection.
Who do you think collected and protected the Quran? Angels?
About the promise to protect the Quran, there is no such ayah that suggests that Allah will protect the Quran only.
“Surely We have revealed the Reminder and We will most surely be its Guardian.” (Surah Hijr [15], ayah 9)
The word used in the Arabic text is ‘Zikr’ which refers to both Quran and Ahadith. Ahadith have been recorded and preserved since the time of the Prophet (SallAllahu alaihi wassallam), see our article ‘Compilation of Ahadith’.]

What was the Messenger supposed to leave us:-
18:27 (O Messenger!) Convey to them whatever of this Book is revealed to you from your Lord. 6:19.) None can alter His Words. And you will find no refuge other than Him. [His Laws in Theory (Kalimaatillah), and His Laws in Practice as implemented in the Universe (Sunnatillah), never change. 6:34, 6:116, 10:64, 17:77, 18:27, 33:38, 33:62, 40:85, 48:23]
4:87 Allah! There is no god but He. He will summon all of you on the Day of Resurrection about the advent of which there is no doubt. Who can tell you a more reliable HADITH (saying) than Allah

7:185 Can they not see (and correlate what he tells them with) the Dominion of the heavens and the earth and what Allah has created? Does it ever occur to them that the end of their own life may be near (hence the time to make the right decisions is not unlimited)? What HADITH besides the Qur’an, are they going to believe after him?

Only the Quran; NO SUNNAH, NO HADITH.

[Criticism #11:
It is in a hadith that the prophet (SallAllah-u-Alaihi-wa-Sallam) used to have intercourse with his wife while he was fasting.
There is no such hadith that suggests that, the word ‘mubasharat’ in the Arabic text has confused the people.
Imam Shoukani says mubasharat means ‘the touching of two bodies’. (Nail-ul-Autar, Chapter taqbeel-saim)
So the hadith only means that you can touch your wife or kiss her, during the process your body can touch her.]

Hadith are full of the personal and sexual dealings of the Messenger who must have spent all his waking life broadcasting his nightly activities to all and sundry in the Medina mosque. No other comment necessary.

[Criticism #12:
It is in ahadith that there were ayahs that were later abrogated.
Were the ayahs abrogated in the lifetime of the Prophet (SallAllah-u-Alaihi-wa-Sallam)?
If so, then what is wrong with that? The prophet (SallAllah-u-Alaihi-wa-Sallam) told us this is Quran and later if he himself tells us these ayahs are abrogated, why are we not to believe him?
If it is said that they were abrogated after his life, then they won’t be ahadith of the prophet (SallAllah-u-Alaihi-wa-Sallam), so why criticise ahadith for it? Most of the narrations in this regard are dhaeef, while one is in Sahih Bukhari, which too is the saying of Omar (may Allah be pleased with him) not a marfoo (elevated) hadith {words of the prophet}.
The word to focus in it is ‘Ayah’ and ‘Kitab Allah’.
The word ‘Book’ doesn’t necessarily mean the ‘Quran’ always, it is proven from ahadith but here we quote an ayah to prove it.
“This Quran is not such as can be produced by other than Allah; on the contrary it is a confirmation of (revelations) that went before it, and a fuller explanation of the Book wherein there is no doubt – from the Lord of the worlds.” (Surah Younus [10], ayah 37)
Quran explains the book, which book? Here we would take the meaning of book as shariah and the correct meaning would be Quran explains the shariah.
If we are to say it means ‘Quran explains the Quran’, then why the different usage of words?
Further more we find that there are many things that are not explained in the Quran, for example how to offer salaat or which are the forbidden months.
The ahadith have been called ‘kitab Allah’ in ahadith.
Now about the word ‘ayah’.
“Verily! In the creation of the heavens and the earth, and in the alternation of night and day, there are indeed ayaat for men of understanding.” (Surah Al-Imran [3], ayah 190)
“And on the earth are ayaat for those who have faith with certainty and also in your own selves. Will you not then see.” (Surah Dhariyat [51], ayah 20-21)
Same is the case for the word ayah, it doesn’t always mean the ‘ayah of the Quran’, as can be seen in the above ayaat, in these ayaat it just means ‘signs’. ]

“The ahadith have been called ‘kitab Allah’ in ahadith.”
They would be, they are trying to tell us they are also from Allah which makes a mockery of the above quoted verses which say only follow the Quran, the hadith of Allah.

Other verses quoted can be understood better:-
10:37 Wama kana hatha alqur-anu an yuftara min dooni Allahi walakin tasdeeqa allathee bayna yadayhi watafseela alkitabi la rayba feehi min rabbi alAAalameena
10:37 This Qur‟an could not possibly have been devised by anyone except God. Nay, it is a confirmation of the (truth in) the earlier revelations, and a clear exposition of the Eternal law. Without any trace of doubt, this Book is from the Lord of the Worlds. (While it confirms the surviving truth in the previous revelations, it is a Watcher over them and ignores and, where necessary, corrects the human touch in them. [2:79, 2:101, 3:78, 5:48]

Ayat can also mean signs is well understood by all and sundry, but no-where do these signs refer to the hadith of the Messenger.
3:190 Indeed, in the creation of the heavens and earth, and in the alternation of night and day, there are signs for men and women who use their intellect.

51:20 And on earth are signs for those who wish to attain conviction, [Its resources must remain open for all. 15:20, 41:10, 55:11-12]
51:21 And also in yourselves, your individual psyche and soma, your people and the unity in diversity among the human communities. Can you not then use your vision? [Anfusikum entails all the meanings rendered here. 9:31-33, 13:31,14:48, 18:48, 41:53, 48:28, 51:20-21, 61:9]

[Criticism #13:
It is stated in ahadith that our prophet (SallAllah-u-Alaihi-wa-Sallam) married a nine year old child.
If you have a hard time accepting this, how do you accept that a woman can have a child without a man? How do you accept a barren woman having a child with an old man.
“She said: My Lord! How shall there be a son to me when no man has even touched me? He said: Even so, Allah creates what He pleases; when He has decreed a matter, He only says to it, be, and it is.” (Surah Aale Imran [3], ayah 47)
“He said: My Lord! How can I have a son when my wife is barren and I have reached infirm old age? He said: So shall it be, your Lord says: It is easy to Me…” (Surah Maryam [19], ayah 8-9)
The answer to all the above is easy for a Muslim that if Allah wishes it to be then a woman can have a child without a man, if Allah wishes, a barren woman can have a child with an old man, similarly we say that if Allah wishes, a nine year old girl can become matured enough to get married.
Narrated ‘Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her):
Allah’s prophet (SallAllah-u-Alaihi-wa-Sallam) said : You were shown to me in a dream. An angel brought you to me, wrapped in a piece of silken cloth, and said to me, ‘This is your wife.’ I removed the piece of cloth from your face, and there you were. I said to myself: If it is from Allah, then it will surely be. (Sahih Bukhari: Volume 7, Book 62, Number 57)
It is evident from the above hadith that Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her) was married to the prophet (SallAllah-u-Alaihi-wa-Sallam) on the command from Allah, as the dreams of prophets are from Allah.
Further more Aisha (RadiAllahu Tala Anha) got married at the age of six, started living with her husband at the age of nine, but there is no mention in ahadith that she had intercourse with her husband at that age.
The word used in the Arabic text is ‘Bana’ which means ‘to bring the wife home’, there is no mention in the hadith about what happened afterwards.
Having said this, lets address the above Criticism regarding Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her) ’s marriage in the light of modern research. Can a person attain puberty at such a small age?
The age of attaining puberty differs from person to person and place-to-place, like in Africa a nine year old gave birth to a child. (Newspaper “Daily Dawn” issued from Karachi, dated 29th March 1966)
Which means the girl reached the age of puberty at the age of eight, furthermore if we examine latest research as regards to the age of puberty, one would find that girls can reach puberty even earlier than eight years, these medical researches are easily available online. ]

Will this man give his daughter in marriage to a 50 year old man the week she starts menstruating as this is the right sunnah of the Messenger? There are many child molesters who would jump at this, but somehow it does not happen unless you are in the Yemen!
Age of menstruation and age of maturity are two different things in the real world and the Quran is based on reality.
What is the age at which a person can own property and be responsible for their actions? If it is 6 years old even in Mullahland then I am a monkeys uncle.
4:6 Train and educate the orphans well. When they reach the age of marriage, and attain sound judgment, release their property to them. The marriageable age shall mean attainment of physical and mental maturity when one can legally make a solemn contract (4:21).
6:152 God commands you further: vi. Do not approach the wealth of the orphan except to improve it until they come of age with full maturity of body and mind

No Mullah will give over any property to a child, but will allow sex with them, !!!!!!!!!
Marry women, not children:-
5:5 You are permitted to marry the virtuous, chaste women among the believers and the virtuous, chaste women of those who were given the Scripture before. You must give your brides a generous marital gift and live with them in honour, not in fornication as secret lovers. (It must be an honest wedlock 4:24.) Anyone who rejects belief, all his work will go vain and He will be among the losers in the Hereafter.

Here is one hadith that shows you how low they can go:-
Volume 7, Book 62, Number 67: Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "A matron should not be given in marriage except after consulting her; and a virgin should not be given in marriage except after her permission." The people asked, "O Allah's Apostle! How can we know her permission?" He said, "Her silence (indicates her permission)."

Silence is all that is needed for permission!!!! (When she cries it is only because she misses her family and not because a wrinkly old man is abusing her). What a lovely world Bukhari has made for us men! (Do not worry; I am being sarcastic).

The Criticism made on ahadith are baseless, this is not something new for us as we were warned about this a long time ago. For further answers to the criticism made by Pervezis, 19ers, Quranites or Ahle Quran read ‘Burhan ul Muslimeen’ and ‘Tafheem ul Islam’, written by Syed Masood Ahmad.
Kind regards,
Syed Jalaluddin Quadri ]

The conclusion of Allah:-

39:23 Allah has now revealed the best HADITH, a Book fully consistent within itself. It marks out both ways (to success and failure) repeating its Messages in diverse forms. Herewith shiver the skins of those who have some idea of the Glory of their Lord, and then, their skins and their hearts soften at Allah's Reminder. This is the Guidance of Allah, and with it He guides him who seeks guidance. Whereas he who follows a path that Allah has declared to be wrong, goes astray and he cannot find a guide. (4:88, 15:87).

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a letter begging for a proper reply
shahid ali khan hyderabad -- Monday, 23 April 2012, 9:54 am
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Monday, 23 April 2012, 12:14 pm
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