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Re: What is Sunnah?
By:jawaid ahmed,uk
Date: Thursday, 19 April 2012, 4:39 pm
In Response To: Re: What is Sunnah? (Mubashir, Canada)

Brother Mubashir, you are again riding with your ancestors when you use their understanding of words in the Quran instead of looking at ALL their uses so that we avoid the age old problem of misunderstanding them. You have to deny other verses of the Quran when your own meaning to some of them.

4:144 O You who have chosen to be graced with belief! Do not take the rejecters for your allies instead of the believers. Do you wish to provide a clear proof to God against yourselves?
4:145 The hypocrites will abide in the lowest pit of the fire and you will find no helper for them,
4:146 Except those who return to the right path, make amends, hold fast to God and devote their religion to God alone. These are with the believers, and God will soon bestow on the believers an immense reward.

Look at the word “prostration” and see how the Quran uses this and is it anything remotely like you understand it?


The term “sujood” is usually translated as bowing or prostration and that is exactly what you do in namaaz.

Surah 3 verse 83 Do they seek for other than the Religion (Deen) of Allah.-while all creatures (things) in the heavens and on earth have, willing or unwilling, bowed to His Will (accepted Islam), and to Him shall they all be brought back.

The word “aslama” means submit which the above translator has put into brackets to mean “accept Islam”. Further verses help us understand better.

Surah 13 verse 15 Whatever beings there are in the heavens and the earth do prostrate themselves to Allah (acknowledging subjection), willingly or unwillingly: so do their shadows in the morning and evenings.

The word “yasjudu” means bowing or prostrating and this then throws up the question as to exactly how they are bowing. The “shadows” prostrate by moving according to the movement of the Sun. They are doing so only in accordance with the laws of optics which has light travelling in a straight line and not being able to travel through opaque materials and hence shadows are formed. The shadow has no say in what it does or where it goes but is produced by and “follows” the Sun. This is further clarified by:-

Surah 22 verse 18 Do you not see that to Allah bow down in worship all things that are in the heavens and on earth,- the sun, the moon, the stars; the hills, the trees, the animals; and a great number among mankind? But a great number are (also) such as are fit for punishment: and such as Allah shall disgrace, none can raise to honour: for Allah carries out all that He wills.

The moon does not do prostration like us or says three “rakahs”! This bowing is not bending itself but actually means following the laws that were assigned to it by Allah. The moon follows its course around the earth and does not deviate from this unless acted upon by some other force. The laws of Allah are the natural physical laws of the universe and everything within it acts according to these laws. Objects fall down to earth due to gravity, they heat up due to the thermo-nuclear heat of the Sun and they hurt when you hit your head on them! They follow what they are “commanded” to do, according to:

Surah 16 verses 48-50 Do they not look at Allah’s creation, (even) among (inanimate) things, how their (very) shadows turn round, from the right and the left, prostrating themselves to Allah, and that in the humblest manner? And to Allah does obeisance all that is in the heavens and on earth, whether moving (living) creatures or the angels: for none are arrogant (before their Lord). They all revere their Lord, high above them, and they do all that they are commanded.

This clearly states that following what Allah has commanded is the submission and prostration referred to above. Further light can be thrown on this by the next verse:-

Surah 20 verse 49-50 (When this message was delivered), (Pharaoh) said: "Who, then, O Moses, is the Lord of you two?" He said: "Our Lord is He Who gave to each (created) thing its form and nature, and further, gave (it) guidance."

Allah created everything and assigned it guidance which is the fulfilling of its function.
Surah 41 verses 11-12 Moreover He comprehended in His design the sky, and it had been (as) smoke: He said to it and to the earth: "Come you together, willingly or unwillingly." They said: "We do come (together), in willing obedience."
So He completed them as seven firmaments in two Days, and He assigned to each heaven its duty and command. And We adorned the lower heaven with lights, and (provided it) with guard. Such is the Decree of (Him) the Exalted in Might, Full of Knowledge.

“Duty and command” means function and it is the instructions or laws of Allah that guide them. But surely we must be doing the right thing by undertaking namaaz five times a day! Well if everything has its laws and are following them accordingly then where are our instructions. They are what is contained in the Quran and that is my whole point. We are “free willed” and our guidance is not fixed like the Moons but ours must be understood and followed willingly. We must submit our wills to the guidance of Allah in order to safe guard our futures and create a heaven on earth. We must do this not by bending physically down to Allah but mentally believing and following His way of life. True submission is putting the words of the Quran into practice by having true faith in them which is only acquired by careful study and pondering over their meaning. Going back to the above verse in

Surah 13 verse 15:- Whatever beings there are in the heavens and the earth do prostrate themselves to Allah (acknowledging subjection), willingly or unwillingly: so do their shadows in the morning and evenings.

We have seen that even the shadows are following the laws set by them, they move as the Sun moves without any thought. What Muslims are doing in the namaaz is a pale “shadow” of the true physical (studying) and practical (implementing) Salat. Namaaz are rituals which are undertaken without thought or comprehension so are worthless in any realistic sense.

Hence, we are left with the sublime Quran:-

3:83 What! Do they seek other than the Prescribed way (Deen) of God, when to Him submit all beings in the heavens and earth, either by free will or by their innate nature and programming, and to Him they will be returned - and to Him they go back as their Originating Source.
[All things in the Universe surrender to God, either by free will as the believers do, or through their innate nature such as animals, trees, stars, seasons etc. Even the deniers of the truth live by Divine laws in their physical lives]

Messages In This Thread

What is Sunnah?
Mubashir, Canada -- Monday, 16 April 2012, 4:41 pm
Re: What is Sunnah?
Bilal Jamil, Oman -- Thursday, 19 April 2012, 9:57 am
What is Sunnah Namaz?
*Dr. Shabbir, Florida -- Thursday, 19 April 2012, 10:36 am
Re: Which Sunnah?
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Thursday, 19 April 2012, 11:55 am
Which Sunnah? - Taking a stand
*Dr. Shabbir, Florida -- Thursday, 19 April 2012, 2:33 pm
Re: Which Sunnah? - Taking a stand
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Thursday, 19 April 2012, 3:26 pm
Re: What is Sunnah?
Mubashir, Canada -- Thursday, 19 April 2012, 1:50 pm
Re: What is Sunnah?
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Thursday, 19 April 2012, 4:39 pm
Re: What is Sunnah?
Mubashir, Canada -- Thursday, 19 April 2012, 5:06 pm
What is Sunnah?
*Dr. Shabbir, Florida -- Thursday, 19 April 2012, 9:01 pm
Re: Where is Truth?
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Friday, 20 April 2012, 7:53 am
Re: What is Sunnah?
Mubashir, Canada -- Friday, 20 April 2012, 3:24 pm