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Re: Repent/revert/return to ???
By:jawaid ahmed,uk
Date: Wednesday, 28 March 2012, 7:52 am
In Response To: Repent/revert/return to ??? (Mubashir, Canada)

It makes no sense at all to say that the idolaters should come back to prayers and paying charity:-

Yusuf Ali 9:5. But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

Namaaz prayers are done only by Muslims[?] and this interpretation of 9:5 makes no sense in the context of the other verses, especially the next one:-

Y.A.9:6. If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah and then escort him to where he can be secure. That is because they are men without knowledge.

We have just been told that they have to start praying but then they are still described as pagans; by definition, pagans do not pray. If we are describing a situation where people are committing treason against a state, working to undermine it, then the discrepancies are removed and the understanding becomes clear.

Sister Helen has just presented another powerful piece of evidence for what Salat really is.

4:80 Whoever obeys the Messenger, obeys God. But if any turn away, We have not sent you as a watcher over them. [5:44]
4:81 They express verbal allegiance, “Obedience!” But when they go away from you a party of them spends the night in planning other than what you tell them. God records what they plan by night. But, ignore them and put your trust in God. For God is enough as Trustee. [6:106]
4:82 Will they not then, try to understand this Qur‟an? If it were from other than God they would have found in it much contradiction and inconsistencies.
4:83 The Book of God provides easy and practical social guidance. There are people who spread rumours pertaining to safety or fear. Those who hear rumours shall refer the matter concerning public safety and threat, to the Messenger and the government officials. Those who endeavour to gain intelligence will know what to do with it. Had it not been for the bounty of God and His mercy, most of you would still be following the satanic elements.

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Repent/revert/return to ???
Mubashir, Canada -- Tuesday, 27 March 2012, 2:36 pm
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Helen, UK -- Tuesday, 27 March 2012, 8:54 pm
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Mubashir, Canada -- Wednesday, 28 March 2012, 1:28 am
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Helen, UK -- Wednesday, 28 March 2012, 3:11 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Wednesday, 28 March 2012, 7:52 am
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Mubashir, Canada -- Wednesday, 28 March 2012, 2:38 pm
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Helen, UK -- Wednesday, 28 March 2012, 3:13 pm
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Irfan -- Wednesday, 28 March 2012, 8:45 pm
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*Dr. Shabbir, Florida -- Wednesday, 28 March 2012, 8:55 pm
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Irfan -- Wednesday, 28 March 2012, 11:43 pm
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*Dr. Shabbir, Florida -- Wednesday, 28 March 2012, 10:55 pm