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Re: Namaz / Salaat
By:jawaid ahmed,uk
Date: Tuesday, 27 March 2012, 1:48 pm
In Response To: Re: Namaz / Salaat (Mubashir, Canada)

We are all on a learning curve and I certainly do not know vastly more than I do know, so keep arguing/debating.
If I was going to pray I would ask protection from this:-

Takabbur = False pride = Arrogance = Self-glorification = Holding others in contempt = Refusing to learn and unlearn = Insisting on blind following = Refusing to admit fault = Being forward before the Divine message = Mocking the truth = Deeming to “know it all' = Considering material goods higher than moral virtue.

I will break down your questions and address them as simply as I can:-

1. How are then we to interpret washing ourselves before prayer,

Cleanliness is next to Godliness. More importantly it is a symbolic act representing purifying our thoughts for the intellectual tasks ahead of us; remember, we must come to the Quran with a clean slate:-

7:29 Say (O Messenger), "My Lord enjoins justice and moderation and to stand devoted to Him alone in complete obedience. Call unto Him, sincere in your Faith in Him alone. He it is Who brought you into being in the first place, and to Him you will return.” (And this is how you can regain your lost Paradise in both worlds.)
7:30 But there will be two parties among people. Some of them will live upright according to the Divine Laws of Guidance while others will ally with Satans as their friends. They take their religious leadership as their masters instead of God, and think that they are rightly guided. [7:3, 22:13]
7:31 O Children of Adam! Subservience and obedience to the Divine Commands ensures for you adornment and nice things in life. So enjoy God’s Bounties, but do not commit excesses. God does not love the wasters.

People who have two eyes are metaphorically described as blind, those entering a congregation to sort out societies affairs should be clear/clean about what they believe.

Also, simple acts of washing for cleanliness sake would require washing under the armpits, which is much more hygienic and conducive to gatherings than a simple wipe over the head, [particularly when no under arm deodorant is forthcoming] but no requirement to do so is mentioned in the Quran.

2.Call to prayer,

5:57 O You who have chosen to be graced with belief! Do not take for allies, some of the people who were given the Scripture before you, and the rejecters who mock and ridicule your Religion. Be mindful of God’s Commands if you are indeed believers.
5:58 When you call to prayer, they mock it and make a jest of it, simply because they are a people who do not use reason. [They do not know that the call with its clearest Mission Statement is unique in the world and speaks volumes of the conviction behind it]
5:59 Say, "O People of the Scripture! Do you not blame us just because we believe in God, and what is revealed to us and what was revealed before? And because most of you are drifting away from the Right Direction?”

The call to prayer is sandwiched between verses describing those who mock the Quran, and those who follow the Quran. Surely, the “prayer” has to be done with abiding by Quranic teachings since no-one will have problem with a ritualised prayer, prostrations and all that involves. It does not say “Do you not blame us just because we prostate in this manner before God”, but “what is revealed to us”.

3:shortening our prayer when in danger,

4:100 Anyone who emigrates in the Cause of God, will find that God has placed refuge and abundance on earth. Whoever forsakes his home, as 'an immigrant to God and His Messenger', and death overtakes him, his reward is then incumbent upon God. God is ever Forgiving, Merciful (the Protector and Provider of Guidance).
4:101 When you go forth in the land, there is no blame on you if you shorten the congregations of prayers, if you fear that the unbelievers may attack you. Surely, the rejecters are an open enemy to you.
4:102 When you (O Messenger) are with them and establish the congregations of Salaat for them, let some of them stand with you, and let them take their arms. Then, after they have received all instructions, let them fall to the rear and let another party come that has not received instructions. Let them take precautions and their arms. The disbelievers want you to neglect your arms and your baggage that they may attack you once for all. There is no harm for you to lay aside your arms if rain impedes you or if you are ill. But take all possible precaution. Certainly, God has prepared for the disbelievers a humiliating chastisement.
4:103 Be mindful of God’s Commands whatever state you are in, standing, sitting or lying down. And when you are once again secure, establish the congregations of Salaat. Joining the congregations of Salaat at the times appointed by the Central Authority is a duty unto believers.

Be on your guard against enemies who wish to hinder you.
What instructions are to be given during this prayer? Surely the instructions to stand, prostrate, turn heads, recite words etc have already been memorised so what is going on?

4:How the Messenger was asked to shorten the prayer when facing an enemy in the battle field.

taqsuroo = Qaf-Sad-Ra = become short, have little or no power, become niggardly, fall short, i.e. not to reach something, left/relinquish/abstain/desist/cease, took from its length, clip/shove, restricted/confined/limited, kept within certain bounds or limits, restrain/withheld, hinder/prevent, contract or draw oneself together, obedient, last part of day. qasr (pl. qusur) - ample and spacious house, castle, palace
When you emigrate you should not go all ‘blaze and glory’ with your beliefs but restrain yourself to what is beneficial. What happens now in battles when it rains? Do people stop fighting and put up their umbrellas?
“Be mindful of God’s Commands whatever state you are in” does not refer to the commands of a battlefield commander, and where is the standing, sitting and LYING in your namaz?

5:Salat Fajr, Salat Ishaa, about prayer on Day of Assembly and once done, to proceed to seek Allah's bounties,

62:9(Why did this happen to the Jews? It did so because they turned Allah's Deen into a religion. As a consequence their 'collective force' withered away and what remained behind were simple rituals, a private relationship between God and man.) O Jamat-ul-Momineen, be careful that this does not happen to you. You should always live a collective life, which in fact is the requirement of Deen. In this regard (for example), whenever you are called upon to a community congregation for Salat, you should come to it quickly leaving behind all business, to listen with your own ears to the Divine Laws and instruction for which you are being summoned and according to which you have to function. If you ponder over it, you will realize how beneficial these congregations are for you.
62:10And when this congregation of Salat is over, disperse and go wherever you like in search of livelihood. However do not think that the requirement of your Deen is only to hold such congregations. The laws were conveyed and explained to you so that at all times and in every aspect of life, you should keep them in mind. Now that you have come out in search of livelihood and business, keep these directives in view. Therein lies the key to your success and prosperity. (Let others choose whatever path they like for their success. For your success you should follow the Divine Laws only. This in fact is the only real success.)

6:that salat (according to the Qur'an) is prescribed at fixed times, etc.

4:103 Be mindful of God’s Commands whatever state you are in, standing, sitting or lying down. And when you are once again secure, establish the congregations of Salaat. Joining the congregations of Salaat at the times appointed by the Central Authority is a duty unto believers.

This follows on from the self explantary 62:9-10. Salat is a collective effort which requires us to attend community gatherings, council hall, government departments etc.

Please ponder over the “lying” and also what is the salat of birds in the sky, remember, we cannot take one verse out of context nor ignore other usages of the words.

24:41 Do you not realize that God, He it is Whom all beings in the heavens and the earth glorify, and the birds, with their wings outspread, as they fly in columns. All of them know their Salaat and Tasbeeh (mission and strife). God is Aware of what they do to fulfill His Plan.
[All creatures know their Salaat, their inborn Divinely programmed instincts. So, they can automatically strive (do their Tasbeeh) in the best way. But humans are not programmed with such inborn instincts. Given free will, they must do their Salaat by following the revealed Guidance and thus strive (do Tasbeeh) in the best way]

You quoted the following:-

(17:78) This means that in order to establish ad-Diin (economic and socio-political system) the efforts of Muslims are not limited to any specific time or place.

Thank you, you have seen the light! The establishment of the deen of Allah is not restricted to certain time frames but is a 24/7 endeavour. Salat can be called at any time or organised on daily set times, whatever the council, government body etc decide upon. Go to salat and do a few rituals is not going to “establish” deen, it can only come about by mutual hard effort amongst likeminded individuals who have the Quran at heart [in their hearts and minds].

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Bilal Jamil, Oman -- Friday, 23 March 2012, 7:18 am
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Friday, 23 March 2012, 12:34 pm
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Husna Jamil, Bulgaria -- Friday, 23 March 2012, 2:51 pm
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Bilal Jamil, Oman -- Friday, 23 March 2012, 3:45 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Friday, 23 March 2012, 4:20 pm
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UZAIR GHOLE -- Wednesday, 28 March 2012, 4:12 pm
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Irfan -- Friday, 23 March 2012, 7:24 pm
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Parween Iqbal, Holland -- Saturday, 24 March 2012, 12:00 am
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Irfan -- Saturday, 24 March 2012, 1:46 am
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saed -- Sunday, 25 March 2012, 7:34 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Friday, 23 March 2012, 3:46 pm
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Bilal Jamil, Oman -- Friday, 23 March 2012, 4:31 pm
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Mubashir, Canada -- Friday, 23 March 2012, 4:00 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Friday, 23 March 2012, 5:59 pm
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Mubashir, Canada -- Friday, 23 March 2012, 10:02 pm
Namaz / Salaat / Manasik
*Dr. Shabbir, Florida -- Saturday, 24 March 2012, 12:42 am
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Monday, 26 March 2012, 8:45 am
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Fatimah, Malaysia -- Friday, 23 March 2012, 11:55 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Monday, 26 March 2012, 7:55 am
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Fatimah, Malaysia -- Monday, 26 March 2012, 3:16 pm
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Mubashir, Canada -- Monday, 26 March 2012, 3:01 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Tuesday, 27 March 2012, 1:48 pm
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Mubashir, Canada -- Tuesday, 27 March 2012, 3:27 pm
Namaz / Salaat - Al-Ma'oon
*Dr. Shabbir, Florida -- Friday, 23 March 2012, 6:18 pm