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Ourbeacon issues no Fatwas of IMAN & KUFR
By:Dr. Shabbir
Date: Sunday, 30 May 2010, 9:55 pm
In Response To: Are Shias worthy of N2I label? or non-Muslim?! (Shahid Kamal Ahmad)

Many Shi'as consider Sunnis as Kafirs and vice versa, but we must avoid passing judgments about 'Kufr & Iman' and leave it up to the Almighty.

Dear Shahid Saheb,

Most Muslims, including all sectarians, belong to N2I or the non-Qur'anic, Number Two Islam.

Although there is a fabricated Hadith that Muslims will eventually divide into 73 sects, but a noted scholar in Istanbul has counted 193 sects among Muslims in 2008. Of course, anyone choosing a sect for himself belongs to N2I.

That Hadith about goat-eaten verses is found in the Sunni sources!

A DOMESTIC GOAT ENTERED AND ATE IT UP

The Quran says:

15:9 Behold, it is We Ourselves Who have sent down this Reminder, and behold, it is We Who shall truly guard it. (6:115).

But numerous Ahadith in six famous Hadith books make a mockery of 15:9. We cannot reproduce all those Ahadtih here. See a glimpse below.

Sunan Ibn-I-Majah Vol III Chapter 36 (Suckling by a young man) Hadith # 1944: Aisha said, "The verse concerning stoning the fornicator to death (Rajm) and the verse of ten sucklings by a young man had been revealed. Indeed it was recorded on a scroll lying under my bed. When Allah's Messenger breathed his last and we got occupied with his death, our domestic goat entered and ate up the scroll."

[We don't see any verse in Quran relating to "Rajm" and "ten sucklings". The "Imams" claim that these verses were revealed but a domestic goat ate them up while Allah promises to guard the Quran.]

Why did Ibn-e-Majah record this fabricated story in his Sunan? Was he not aware of 15:9? Or was he among those who try to throw doubts on completeness of the Qur'an?

THE SUCKLING VERSE, A HORRIBLE JOKE

The goat-eaten, non-existent, ten sucklings verse (the so-called Ayah Ridha'at) is a horrible joke. The 'Imams' of Hadith report that Hazrat Ayesha advised women of an 'easy' way to admit unrelated men into their privacy. Let any grown up unrelated man suckle on the woman's breasts ten times and lo and behold! He becomes a Mahram (one who is a family member and can intrude into their privacy from then on). (Hadith 1934 Ibn Majah and 30:12 Malik’s Muwatta)

Many Shi'as consider Sunnis as Kafirs and vice versa, but we must avoid passing judgments about 'Kufr & Iman' and leave it up to the Almighty.

2:8 And of mankind there are those who claim, “We believe in God and the Last Day", while they are not believers. [Their actions that speak louder than words, contradict their claim. 4:136, 49:15]

12:106 The majority of those who believe in God, also commit SHIRK (idol worship in different forms).

[Mushrik = One who calls upon gods besides God = Associates others with God = Believes in false deities = Ascribes partners to Him = Submits to false authorities = Prefers clergy over revelation = Commits idol worship in any form]

Contd. (Dictated, not read)

Please wait for a post on THE NUMBER TWO ISLAM as well.

Messages In This Thread

Are Shias worthy of N2I label? or non-Muslim?!
Shahid Kamal Ahmad -- Sunday, 30 May 2010, 8:01 pm
Ourbeacon issues no Fatwas of IMAN & KUFR
Dr. Shabbir -- Sunday, 30 May 2010, 9:55 pm
N2I: THE NUMBER TWO ISLAM
Dr. Shabbir -- Sunday, 30 May 2010, 10:00 pm
Re: Ourbeacon issues no Fatwas of IMAN & KUFR
Shahid Kamal Ahmad -- Monday, 31 May 2010, 10:33 pm
Re: Are Shias worthy of N2I label? or non-Muslim?!
Hicham -- Sunday, 30 May 2010, 9:26 pm
Re: Are Shias worthy of N2I label? or non-Muslim?!
Mubashir -- Monday, 31 May 2010, 5:13 am
Re: Are Shias worthy of N2I label? or non-Muslim?!
Zakkeer Syed -- Monday, 31 May 2010, 11:46 am
N2I vs Qur'anic Islam
Dr. Shabbir -- Monday, 31 May 2010, 3:01 pm
Who is Muslim?
Salman Farrukh -- Monday, 31 May 2010, 5:00 pm
Re: N2I vs Qur'anic Islam
Mubashir -- Monday, 31 May 2010, 8:39 pm
Re: N2I vs Qur'anic Islam
Nasser Khan -- Tuesday, 1 June 2010, 12:33 am
Re: Are Shias worthy of N2I label? or non-Muslim?!
Rumi -- Monday, 31 May 2010, 5:57 pm
Re: Are Shias worthy of N2I label? or non-Muslim?!
abby -- Monday, 31 May 2010, 1:30 pm
Re: Are Shias worthy of N2I label? or non-Muslim?!
Sadiq Ali -- Monday, 31 May 2010, 2:45 pm
Re: Are Shias worthy of N2I label? or non-Muslim?!
mohammad Shukoor -- Monday, 31 May 2010, 4:12 pm
Re: Are Shias worthy of N2I label? or non-Muslim?!
Syed Ijlal Hussain -- Monday, 31 May 2010, 7:50 pm
Re: Are Shias worthy of N2I label? or non-Muslim?!
Mubashir -- Wednesday, 2 June 2010, 10:09 am
Re: Are Shias worthy of N2I label? or non-Muslim?!
Mubashir -- Monday, 31 May 2010, 8:50 pm
Re: Are Shias worthy of N2I label? (Mubashir)
Sadiq Ali -- Monday, 31 May 2010, 10:30 pm
Qadianis/Ahmedis....Shias
Salman Farrukh -- Tuesday, 1 June 2010, 7:47 pm
Re: Qadianis/Ahmedis....Shias (Reply from Ahmadi)
Tauseef Ahmad -- Wednesday, 2 June 2010, 1:27 am
Re: Qadianis/Ahmedis....Shias (Reply from Ahmadi)
Dr. Shabbir -- Wednesday, 2 June 2010, 2:32 pm
Re: Qadianis/Ahmedis....Shias (Reply from Ahmadi)
Salman Farrukh -- Wednesday, 2 June 2010, 11:15 pm
Nabuwwat Vs Risalat
Jawaid Ahmed -- Thursday, 3 June 2010, 7:51 am
Re: Are Shias worthy of N2I label? (Mubashir)
Syed Ijlal Hussain -- Tuesday, 1 June 2010, 9:54 pm
Re: Are Shias worthy of N2I label? or non-Muslim?!
AmirAbbass -- Monday, 31 May 2010, 8:05 am
Allah is the God of Allرب العالمين
Salman Farrukh -- Monday, 31 May 2010, 2:57 pm
Re: Allah is the God of Allرب العالمين
Syed Ijlal Hussain -- Monday, 31 May 2010, 8:40 pm
Re: Allah is the JUDGE
Salman Farrukh -- Tuesday, 1 June 2010, 6:46 pm