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Re: There Is No Such Thing As Magic - 1
By:Nawab Ahmad
Date: Wednesday, 28 April 2010, 6:43 am
In Response To: Re: There Is No Such Thing As Magic (Faisal Iftikhar)

Br Iftikhar, AA!

I am not to talk here on the position of Magic or Jinni in Islam. But I will dwell upon your logic. You have left blank spaces in all of your arguments that make your communication incomplete as well as inconclusive.

QUOTE:
if casting the black magic and all these non-sense practises were this much influencial or real, then undoubtedley the magicians, fortunetellers and powerful Peer Babas would have been the supreme leaders of the world.

UNQUOTE:
If casting the black magic were this much influencial, then how would the magicians have been the supreme leaders of the world? Please elaborate it. ........ Do you think the people would have accepted the harm-inflictors as their leaders, instead of removing them?

Similarly, once fortuneteller told the Pharoah of Egypt that a son among Israelite would be born who would end up his reign. Do you think the fortunetellers that time were enjoying the positions of the supreme leaderships in Egypt?

QUOTE:
A few of my friends once discussed with me about Jinns, Ghosts and their existence as they were confused about their own beliefs in Ghosts and my response to the interesting discussion was: that if these ghosts and jinns existed in reality, the airplanes would never have been flown by human pilots, instead, they would have been flown and conrolled by these so-called Ghosts".

UNQUOTE:
Had Jinn existed, why would've our airplanes been flown and controlled by them? Would we have been the vicegerent of Allah swt then, or they?

QUOTE:
The human beings according to Islam is the best creature(Ashraf-ul-Makhloqaat) in this universe.

UNQUOTE:
Does that mean there is no scope for any other creatures who would be less than Ashraf-ul-Makhloqaat?

QUOTE:
old saints dressed up in white coffins who suddenly appeared on the battlefield to help Pakistani soldiers and that they caught a lots of canon balls with their own hands

UNQUOTE:
Those superstitious stories implicated two kinds of beings: One, angels. Two, the souls of Ali / Hassan / Hussain / and some others. Those invented stories were not related with Jinn or ghosts (in usual sense).

Secondly, can the existence of some invisible being (such as angels) be denied because of the dug-up stories on them? If this is the case, why don't you deny the existence of God because pagans throughout history to date have digged stories on Him and gods?

QUOTE:
such irrationalities and magic-based nonsense stories can do nothing besides messing with one's intellect and destroying rational thinking.

UNQUOTE:
Just look above and see how much rational thinking you have developed by rejecting such irrationalities.

SUMMARY:
When you accept or reject things by thinking through, you learn rationality. On the other hand, when you accept or reject things by narrow or incomplete reasoning, you learn irrationality.

Nawab Ahmad

Messages In This Thread

KSA excecuting sorcerers & witches
International Quranic Center -- Sunday, 25 April 2010, 12:38 am
There Is No Such Thing As Magic
Dr Shabbir -- Sunday, 25 April 2010, 1:03 am
Re: There Is No Such Thing As Magic
jawaid ahmed -- Sunday, 25 April 2010, 1:38 pm
Re: There Is No Such Thing As Magic
UmeAimon -- Sunday, 25 April 2010, 4:04 pm
Re: There Is No Such Thing As Magic
Dr Shabbir -- Sunday, 25 April 2010, 5:13 pm
Re: There Is No Such Thing As Magic
Faisal Iftikhar -- Sunday, 25 April 2010, 11:50 pm
Re: There Is No Such Thing As Magic
UmeAimon -- Monday, 26 April 2010, 5:24 am
Re: There Is No Such Thing As Magic
Dr Shabbir -- Monday, 26 April 2010, 9:21 am
Re: There Is No Such Thing As Magic
UmeAimon -- Monday, 26 April 2010, 9:58 am
Re: There Is No Such Thing As Magic
Dr Shabbir -- Monday, 26 April 2010, 11:03 am
Re: There Is No Such Thing As Magic
UmeAimon -- Monday, 26 April 2010, 12:39 pm
Games people play.
Humzah hussain saiyed -- Tuesday, 27 April 2010, 7:15 am
False Memory
Umar -- Thursday, 29 April 2010, 7:55 am
Re: False Memory
Dr Shabbir -- Thursday, 29 April 2010, 8:51 am
Re: There Is No Such Thing As Magic
Jawaid Ahmed -- Monday, 26 April 2010, 7:52 am
Re: There Is No Such Thing As Magic - 1
Nawab Ahmad -- Wednesday, 28 April 2010, 6:43 am
What does the Quran mean by Magic, then?
Salman Farrukh -- Wednesday, 28 April 2010, 5:30 pm
Re: What does the Quran mean by Magic, then?
Dr Shabbir -- Wednesday, 28 April 2010, 11:30 pm
Re: What does the Quran mean by Magic, then?
Salman Farrukh -- Thursday, 29 April 2010, 1:51 am
Re: What does the Quran mean by Magic, then?
Dr Shabbir -- Thursday, 29 April 2010, 2:37 am
Re: What does the Quran mean by Magic, then?
Salman Farrukh -- Thursday, 29 April 2010, 12:42 pm
Re: What does the Quran mean by Magic, then?
Dr Shabbir -- Thursday, 29 April 2010, 1:43 pm
Re: What does the Quran mean by Magic, then?
Salman Farrukh -- Thursday, 29 April 2010, 4:31 pm
Re: What does the Quran mean by Magic, then?
Jawaid Ahmed -- Friday, 30 April 2010, 8:08 am
Re: What does the Quran mean by Magic, then?
Salman Farrukh -- Friday, 30 April 2010, 1:21 pm
Re: What does the Quran mean by Magic, then?
Jawaid Ahmed -- Friday, 30 April 2010, 3:48 pm
Re: What does the Quran mean by Angels?
Salman Farrukh -- Friday, 30 April 2010, 5:36 pm
Re: What does the Quran mean by Angels?
Salman Farrukh -- Saturday, 1 May 2010, 2:57 am
Re: What does the Quran mean by Angels?
Afsara Sheikh -- Saturday, 1 May 2010, 12:19 pm