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Re: Virgin birth part 1
By:Jawaid Ahmed
Date: Monday, 1 March 2010, 2:49 pm
In Response To: Re: About MARY-peace be upon her?! (Dr Shabbir)

Dear Dr saab, now you know why I wanted a dedicated area for articles to be saved and referred to.
I am a bit slow but I come good in the end, here is my article on Mary and virgin birth.

(Unfinished and uses Yusuf Ali instead of your trandslation, but I am working on changing them)

Virgin Birth!

In Surah 3 verses 43-47 it states:-
43. Behold! The angels said: "O Mary! Allah has chosen you and purified you; chosen you above the women of all nations.
44. "O Mary! Worship Your Lord devoutly: Prostrate yourself, and bow down with those who bow down."
45. This is part of the tidings of the things unseen, which We reveal to you (O Messenger) by inspiration: You were not with them when they cast lots with arrows, as to which of them should be charged with the care of Mary: Nor were you with them when they disputed (the point).
46. When the angels said; O Mary! Allah gives you glad tidings of a word from Him, whose name is the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, illustrious in the world and in the hereafter, and one of those brought near (to Allah).
47. He will speak to mankind in his cradle and in his manhood, and he is of the righteous. She said; O my Sustainer! How can I have a son when no man has ever touched me? (The angel) answered: Thus it is: Allah creates what He wills: when He wills a thing to be, He but says unto it, ‘Be’—and it is.

I have used Yusuf Ali’s translation which is typical of the majority I have seen. In these verses the so called miraculous nature of the birth of Jesus is mentioned, i.e. without the intervention of a male father because of the use of the word “Be” (see evolution section for more details). Many Muslim scholars mention that they believe that Jesus was born without a father unlike many modern Christians who are turning away from the false verses of the Bible and beginning to believe in a more natural man, not a god. A Christian Bishop of Durham, a number of years ago, explained that the virgin birth and physical resurrection of Jesus were not necessarily factually correct and Christians need not believe in them as a physical reality. I congratulate this man for speaking the truth though he had been through theological college and was a highly respected member of the Church of England. May our scholars be as brave as this man when faced with truth and overcome their own indoctrination!

The Quran suffers from an appalling amount of misinterpretation, mistranslation, misunderstanding and mischief making by those who are supposed to follow the Sunnah of the Prophet. When it suits them they put their own biased views ahead of reason and logic and “blind” themselves to verses of the Quran that do not suit what they are propagating. I will give you an example of how easy it is to falsify an understanding of the Quran which is only ridiculous because you have not been brought up to believe this, equally ridiculous beliefs riddle the Muslim thinking but they are not rejected due to that problem of indoctrination; The Quran states in many places that humans are created from two cells (the fertilisation of sperm and ovum). If I say that this means that immediately after the two cells have joined a baby emerges from the mothers womb into the world you would say I was crazy. The baby develops in the womb and after nine months it is born so any other explanation is easily rejected. When Allah says “Be” there is almost universal acceptance amongst the “scholars” that a miracle of Allah occurs and something extraordinary results, for example, virgin birth. What Muslims are doing is misunderstanding the concept of “Be” which should be understood as a process that is set in motion to bring about what Allah has willed. The “Be” should be better understood as “so it will be/ it will come to pass/ it will happen” and to clarify this we have to look into the Quran to see where this process is used elsewhere. It is not hard, just open this book and read the translation of the Arabic you are so used to blindly reciting but have never thought to understand, again, Yusuf Ali translation;-

Surah 2 verse 117. To Him is due the primal origin of the heavens and the earth: When He decrees a matter, He says to it: "Be," and it is.

Surah 3 verse 58-60
"This is what we rehearse unto you of the verses which have the Message of Wisdom."
The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, and then said to him: "Be". And he was.
The Truth (comes) from Allah alone; so be not of those who doubt.

Surah 6 verse 73
It is He who created the heavens and the earth in true (proportions): the day He says, "Be," behold it is! His word is the truth. His will be the dominion the day the trumpet will be blown. He knows the unseen as well as that which is open. For He is the Wise and well acquainted (with all things).

Surah 16 verses 38-42
They swear their strongest oaths by Allah that Allah will not raise up those who die: Nay, but it is a promise (binding) on Him in truth: but most among mankind realise it not.
(They must be raised up), in order that He may manifest to them the truth of that wherein they differ, and that the rejecters of Truth may realise that they had indeed (surrendered to) falsehood.
For to anything which We have willed, We but say the word, "Be", and it is.
To those who leave their homes in the cause of Allah, after suffering oppression, We will assuredly give a goodly home in this world; but truly the reward of the Hereafter will be greater. If they only realised (this)!
(They are) those who persevere in patience, and put their trust on their Lord.

Surah 19 verses 34-36
Such (was) Jesus the son of Mary: (it is) a statement of truth, about which they (vainly) dispute.
It is not befitting to (the majesty of) Allah that He should beget a son. Glory is to Him! When He determines a matter, He only says to it, "Be", and it is.
Verily Allah is my Lord and your Lord: therefore serve Him: this is a Way that is straight.

Surah 21 verse 30.
Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?

Surah 36 verse 81-83
"Is not He Who created the heavens and the earth able to create the like thereof?" Yes, indeed! For He is the Creator Supreme, of skill and knowledge (infinite)!
Verily, when He intends a thing, His Command is, "be", and it is!
So glory to Him in Whose hands is the dominion of all things: and to Him will you be all brought back.

Surah 40 verses 62-75
Such is Allah, your Lord, and the Creator of all things, there is no god but He: Then how you are deluded away from the Truth!
Thus are deluded those who want to reject the revelation of Allah.
It is Allah Who has made for you the earth as a resting place, and the sky as a canopy, and has given you shape, and made your shapes beautiful, and has provided for you sustenance, of things pure and good; such is Allah your Lord.
So Glory to Allah, the Lord of the Worlds!
He is the Living (One): There is no god but He: Call upon Him, giving Him sincere devotion. Praise be to Allah, Lord of the Worlds!
Say: "I have been forbidden to invoke those whom you invoke besides Allah, seeing that clear revelation has come to me from my Lord; and I have been commanded to bow (in Islam) to the Lord of the Worlds."
It is He Who has created you from dust then from a sperm-drop, then from a leech-like clot; then does he get you out (into the light) as a child: then lets you (grow and) reach your age of full strength; then lets you become old, though of you there are some who die before; and lets you reach a term appointed; in order that you may learn wisdom.
It is He Who gives Life and Death; and when He decides upon an affair, He says to it, "Be", and it is.
Do you not see those that dispute concerning the revelation of Allah, how are they turned away (from Reality)?-
Those who reject the Book and the (revelations) with which We sent our apostles: but soon shall they know,-
When the yokes (shall be) round their necks, and the chains; they shall be dragged along-
In the boiling fetid fluid: then in the Fire shall they be burned;
Then shall it be said to them: "Where are the (deities) which you gave part worship,
in derogation of Allah.” They will reply: "They have left us in the lurch: No, we invoked not, of old, anything (that had real existence)." Thus does Allah leave the Unbelievers to stray.
"That was because you wanted to rejoice on the earth in things other than the Truth, and you wanted to be insolent.

Surah 41 verse 11.
Moreover He comprehended in His design the sky, and it had been (as) smoke: He said to it and to the earth: "Come you together, willingly or unwillingly." They said: "We do come (together), in willing obedience.

Read these verses again if the “penny has not dropped”. It is stating that Allah IS the originator of everythingt. He “made us” via the fertilisation of the ovum by the sperm which DEVELOPED into a fully formed human. The observation by astronomers and physicists that the Universe is still undergoing change by way of expansion and the formation of suns and planets out of interstellar gases shows that Allah did not create it all in one single, instantaneous and completed step but allowed for its creation AND development. This is confirmed in the example from the Quran which describes the universe being created from a process resembling the "big bang theory" and then the long process where the original matter (“smoke” or particles) which coalesced to form the stars and planets. The highly descriptive Quranic language has the earth “speaking” but this is only figuratively; this “willing obedience” is a testament to the entire created universe following the laws that Allah laid down at the beginning.

Why did Allah not create the whole universe in one single step? He was and is capable of doing this “snap of the finger” instant act so why the creation and development in stages? If Allah did all this in the way He has said and how science has proved it happened then the same can be said for the natural procreation of Jesus. The command of “Be” has to be understood in this way and not in the way it has been corrupted by “scholars” who have other agendas. Jesus was created to fulfil a plan of Allah to free the Jews from their false beliefs that they had made up and attributed to Allah, remind you of someone else? His mother should have been dedicated to the Temple and so remain an unmarried virgin all her life but this was a life not ordained by Allah but made up by the Jews. This monastic life was not ordained for any peoples, which is confirmed when the Quran talks about Christian monasticism:-

Surah 57 verses 25-29
57:25 Indeed, We sent Our messengers with the evident Truth and revealed with them the Law and the Standard of right and wrong that mankind may deal in justice. And We have bestowed on from high the iron in which there is awesome power and many benefits for people. For, God marks out those who help Him and His messengers although the victory may initially be obscure to them. Surely, God is Strong, Almighty. [Meezaan = Balance of measure = Standard of justice. As proven by modern science, the iron is not native to earth. It has come down from higher celestial bodies]
57:26 We sent Noah and Abraham and granted prophethood and Scripture to their progeny. Some of them remained rightly guided, but a great many of them drifted away.
57:27 Then, in succession, We followed them up with (other of) Our messengers. We caused them to be followed by Jesus son of Mary and gave him the Gospel. And We placed kindness and compassion in the hearts of those who followed him. As for monastic asceticism - We had never ordained it to them. They invented it themselves to seek God’s approval. But then, they did not uphold the Gospel with right observance. And so those who truly believed among them, We gave them their reward. But, a great many of them have been drifting away.
57:28 O You who have chosen to be graced with belief! Be mindful of God and put faith in His Messenger. And He will bestow on you a double reward of His Grace. He will appoint for you a light by which you shall walk, and He will absolve your faults. For, God is Forgiving, Merciful.
57:29 And the People of the Scripture should know that they have no power whatsoever over the Bounty of God. All Bounty is in God’s hand and He grants it according to His Laws. And God is the Lord of a tremendous Bounty. [He is the Lord of the Worlds and the Lord of all mankind and He does not discriminate between people. 1:1, 114:1]

Allah decreed that she should marry and bear a child according to the natural processes to counter this false practice, to be a “sign” for others that someone as important as she could break free of ancestral traditions and live a life according to those given to us my Allah. She was in the care of Zechariah (father of Yahya, John the Baptist) who was chief priest in Jerusalem, a most important figure and she was made to rebel against the institutionalised religion of her day. Her giving birth to Jesus is a symbol of right over wrong and it is to our shame that we have turned this event into a miraculous “virgin birth” and not understood it for what it was.

Dr Shabbir has the correct translation of the verses quoted above from Yusuf Ali :-

Dr Shabir, Surah 3 verses 42-50
3:42 (Mary kept a spotless character as she grew up.) Angels told her, “God has chosen you, given you a spotless character and given you distinction among the women of your times.”
[She guarded her chastity and built a strong moral character in very adverse circumstances. Many monks and devotees of temples used to harbour evil intentions against nuns. She was the first revolutionary feminine voice against the manmade institution of monasticism]
3:43 She was told by angels to gather courage, quit monasticism, submit to the Command of her Lord and join her family for leading a normal life bowing to the design that God has ordained for people.
3:44 (O Messenger) We are revealing to you these events of history so that you may dispel conjecture and rumour. You were not there when the monks cast lots and contended with one another to take hold of (the young Mary after Zechariah.)
3:45 Angels said, “O Mary! God gives you the good news through a word from Him. His name would be Messiah Jesus, son of Mary, held in honour in this world and among the ones close to Me in the Hereafter.
3:46 Talking to people while very young and in ripe old age in good health.”
3:47 Mary exclaimed! “O My Lord, How shall I have a son when no man has (intimately) touched me?” He said, “Just as God creates everyone according to His Laws (3:40). When God decrees a matter, it starts happening.”
[In the repressive society Mary had to keep her wedding confidential in the family]
3:48 “And God will teach him the Scripture and the wisdom, the Torah and the Gospel.”
3:49 And He will be a Messenger to the Children of Israel. He will say to them, “I come to you with Revelation from your Lord. If you follow me, I will raise you from dust to the heights of glory by the Command of God (7:176). The blind among you will begin to see the Truth. Those of you who are spotted with sin, I will heal them, and I shall grant real life to those who are just dragging on without purpose; all by God’s Leave, according to His Laws. I am here to establish justice and equity. I shall see to it how much you hoard in your houses and how much you spend on the community. My teachings are sufficient signs for you to believe.”
3:50 “I confirm the Truth in the Torah before me, and make permissible to you some of what was forbidden. I have come with your Lord’s Revelation. Be mindful of His Commands and obey me.”
[The Qur’an describes denial as a ‘disease’, calls the deniers ‘deaf, dumb and blind’ in 2:18, ‘diseased of the heart’ in 2:10 and ‘dead’ in 27:80. That is why the Revelation, which is the Truth, is called a ‘healing’ in 41:44. Taair = Omen = Destiny = Registration of deeds = Fleet-footed horse = Bird. 2:260, 5:110, 6:38, 7:131, 17:13, 27:16, 24:41, 27:47]

Why bother with a woman at all if you are Allah, just produce a human being out of thin air (like Adam, if you want to believe it occurred this way! If Jesus was created like Adam then where was Adams mother?)

Surah 3 verse 59
The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, and then said to him: "Be". And he was.

A much greater “miracle” would have been to make Jesus motherless as well as fatherless and not have a woman give birth to him and put in a position where she was accused by the Jews of fornication or being raped by a Roman soldier (yes, the Jewish Talmud says this). Why subject her to the “pains of childbirth.”

Surah 19 verse 23:-
“And the pangs of childbirth drove her unto the trunk of a palm tree.”

By re-thinking this the conclusion is that Allah is All-Knowing and is able to decree a thing to happen but it will happen according to the natural events that take place in His created universe (the Quran again and again states that everything is running under the unchanging laws that Allah has laid down for the universe). The end result is the same and Allah is the originator of the action but the natural, logical explanation is always preferable rather than something miraculous. Allah says that His one day can be likened to a thousand of our years so time has no meaning for Him. Whatever He decrees will come to pass in no time at all for Him so using the laws of the created universe is no trouble for the Omnipotent Allah.

In Surah 3 verse 44 written above you have the incident of casting lots for Mary, which shows that she was to be married.

“This is part of the tidings of the things unseen, which We reveal to you (O Messenger) by inspiration: You were not with them when they cast lots with arrows, as to which of them should be charged with the care of Mary: Nor were you with them when they disputed (the point)”.

The dedication of girls or women to the Temple was a sacred act that was looked upon with great reverence by the Jews. Once there it was inconceivable that she would leave so the Rabbis disputed her marriage and leaving. She was unmarried when she was told about Jesus so we have her asking how this would be possible because of her single status. Further, she had been dedicated to the temple by her mother so was unprepared for married life which is confirmed in:-

Surah 19 verses 27-38
19:27 Later, she returned to her people carrying the child with her. They said, "O Mary! You have come with an amazing thing (breaking the rules of the shrine).”
19:28 “O Sister of Aaron! Your father was not a bad man, nor was your mother a loose woman, nor did she ever oppose the system."
19:29 Then she pointed to him. They said, "How can we talk to one who is in the cradle, a young boy?"
[Mary and Joseph had lived in Bethelhem for years. ‘In the cradle’, idiomatically means a young person. In 19:31 he promises to establish the Divine System and set up the Just Economic Order. Only a mature individual can say that]
19:30 But he spoke up, "Indeed, I am a servant of God. He has given me Revelation and appointed me a Prophet.”
19:31 “He has made me blessed wherever I may be. He has enjoined upon me to establish the Divine System and help set up the Just Economic Order as long as I live.”
19:32 “And He has made me kind to my mother, and has not made me haughty, unblessed.”
19:33 “Hence, peace was upon me on the day I was born, the day I die, and on the day I shall be raised to life again." [19:15]
19:34 Such was Jesus, the son of Mary and this is the Truth of this matter about whose nature they so deeply disagree.
19:35 It does not befit God that He would beget a son. He is Glorious, High above (what they say). When He decrees a thing, it starts happening.
19:36 And (Jesus always said), "Surely, God is my Lord and your Lord, so serve Him alone. This is the Straight Path."
19:37 And yet, the sects (that follow the Bible) differ among themselves. There is humiliation in store for all those who deny the Truth when that awesome Day appears.
19:38 How plainly will they hear and see the Truth when they come before Us! Today, however, they persist in doing wrong to themselves and are obviously lost in error.

You can see from this passage that the people had not expected Mary to bear a child and this shock was not as a result of her unmarried status because she had already married Joseph (although no name is given for her husband in the Quran I have used the Bible name for him) before the birth of Jesus. The shock was that she had left the temple in order to marry and have children. Once the Malaika of Allah had told her about the news of a son she realized that she would not remain unmarried for the rest of her life but would “be” married, Jesus would “be” conceived in the normal way, with the help of Mary’s normal husband, who was to “be” his natural father. There was no need for Allah to create Jesus out of thin air, all previous Messengers were human beings born naturally like all of humanity.

Surah 35 verse 11
35:11 (Recall your common humble origin.) God created you from dust, then from male and female gametes, and then He makes you pairs. And no female becomes pregnant, nor gives birth without His knowledge (according to His appointed science, without exceptions). No one lives long, and no one lives short, but by His Law. Indeed, all this is easy for God. [3:144. Nutfah = Gamete, male or female. Commonly misunderstood as sperm or semen, it is a common gender]

Surah 36 verse 36
36:36 Glory to Him Who has created pairs of everything that the earth grows, and of themselves, and of things they have no knowledge yet. [This discovery of all things existing in pairs earned the British physicist Paul Dirac the Nobel Prize in 1933]

Surah 42 verse 11
42:11 Originator of the heavens and the earth! He has given you mates of your own kind; and mates among the cattle. By this means He multiplies you (creation). However, there is nothing whatsoever like unto Him. And He is the Hearer, the Seer.

Surah 49 verse 13
49:13 O Mankind! Indeed, We have created you male and female, and have made you nations and tribes so that you might (affectionately) come to know one another. Surely, the most honoured among you, in the Sight of God, is the one who is best in conduct. Indeed, God is Knower, Aware.
[Min zakarinwwa untha = Of a kind that is male, and of a kind that is female = Male and female = Some of you are men and some of you are women. On this note I find myself in agreement with M. Pickthall 39:6]

Surah 51 verses 48-49
51:48 And We have spread out the earth, and how excellent a Spreader We are!
51:49 And all things We created in pairs and in opposites (such that one complements the other), so that you may reflect.

Surah 53 verses 45-46
53:45 And that He it is Who creates the two companions, the male and the female (pairs and opposites among His creation),
53:46 From gametes that unite.

“Pairs”, “mates”, you do not need “Grays Anatomy” to work this one out! Here Allah confirms that all human beings are born from the union of pairs, male and female. If you say Jesus did not have a natural father then you are, may Allah forgive you, contradicting what Allah has said in these verses! Do not copy the falsehood from the non believers; if you do you will be alone on Judgement day to face your punishment and will be in a state of despair! :-

Surah 60 verse 13
60:13 O You who have chosen to be graced with belief! Do not befriend a people whom God has condemned. Of the Hereafter they are already in despair – just as the deniers of the Truth despair (the resurrection) of those who are in the graves.

Also, Allah says to Zachariah that he will have a son, John, even though he was old and his wife was barren:-

Surah 19 verses 1 to 15.
19:1 K.H.Y.'A.S. Kaaf Ha Ya ‘Ain Saad
19:2 Mention of the Mercy of your Sustainer unto His servant Zachariah.
19:3 When he called out to his Lord in the secrecy of his heart. [3:37]
19:4 He said, "My Lord! My bones have turned brittle and my head is shining with gray hair, and I have never remained unblessed in my prayer to you, my Lord.”
19:5 “Now I fear what my relatives will do after me. (I am concerned about the heritage of my ancestors such as Jacob.) But my wife is barren. Oh, Give me from Your Presence, a successor.
19:6 Let him be my heir and the heir of the house of Jacob and make him, my Lord, worthy of Your acceptance.”
19:7 He was told, “O Zachariah! We give you the good news of a boy whose name shall be Yahya (John the Baptist). We have never given this name to anyone before.” [19:65]
19:8 Zachariah exclaimed, "My Lord! How can I have a son when my wife is barren and I am already infirm with old age?"
19:9 He said: Thus it is. Your Lord says, “It is easy for Me. I created you before, and you were nothing." [The infertility in his wife was treated. 21:90]
19:10 Zachariah said, “My Lord! Give me a special Message.” He said, “The Message is that you shall not speak to people for three (days and) nights consecutively.” [3:40-41. Vow of silence - 19:26. He was not struck dumb as claimed in (Luke: 1:20-22)]
19:11 Then Zachariah came out from the shrine and told his deputies by signs, “Keep striving in your mission morning and evening that His Glory be manifest to beholders.”
19:12 (John was born according to the good news.) We told him “O Yahya! Hold fast the Scripture.” And We had granted him wisdom and good judgment when he was yet a little boy.
19:13 We gave him compassion from Our Presence and a spotless character. He lived a life upright and he was cautious against erring.
19:14 He was dutiful toward his parents, and was polite, not rebellious or arrogant.
19:15 Peace on him the day he was born, the day he died and the day he shall be raised alive!

Allah again uses the concept of “be” but do our scholars say John was conceived without a father? Allah actually removes the infirmity that was causing the infertility or knew that there was no physical reason why they could not have children and so John was conceived naturally. Zachariah was not created from nothing, out of thin air, but he had been nothing and was produced by the normal procreation procedure. If you cannot understand the verse which says “when you had been nothing” then you may say that all of us humans are produced by “Be” and not the normal way which is preposterous. Allah is again confirming the natural formation of all life and so John was conceived naturally. If you want to see further evidence of how Allah works then refer to the following verse:-

Surah 4 verse 75
4:75 What has happened to you that you do not fight in the Cause of God? Defenseless men, women, and children are being oppressed and crying, "Our Lord! Rescue us from this town whose people are oppressors, and raise for us protectors and helpers." [God does not fight in person, or send His armies or angels physically. 22:39]

Here Allah is telling the Muslims of Medina that their Muslim brothers and sisters in Mecca are being killed and tortured so why are they not taking up arms to help them. If Allah wanted to send a thunder bolt to kill all the non-believers in Mecca He could have done so but He used the might of the Muslim community established by the Prophet in and around Medina to march on Mecca and install Islamic law and order on this Mother of Cities. This “green revolution” did not spill a single drop of blood! This proves that Allah uses His creation, established and managed by universal laws, to achieve the desired result and not so-called miracles (see miracle section for a fuller explanation of this topic).

Also, Surah 2 verse 228. Divorced women shall wait concerning themselves for three monthly periods. Nor is it lawful for them to hide what Allah has created in their wombs,

Another Yusuf Ali translation where if you want to be more foolish in your understanding of the “Way of Allah” then look carefully at the above verse and you can again see the language of the Quran. Allah says that it is He that creates the babies in the wombs so does this mean that He impregnates every single woman on earth? I think not, but do you? Allah created the conditions for all life to come into existence and develop along the paths that He has ordained. Mankind is part of the created universe of Allah and abides by its physical, natural laws which in the above context mean that the creation of a baby involves the joining of the male and female cells according to a natural act of this world (reproduction, if you do not know!). So when we read a verse that may sound like a miracle, e.g. the birth of Jesus, then please use your common sense and do not rely on past “scholars” to tell us what we should believe. To understand this further (bear with me, this Jesus section is one of my biggest), let’s look at other verses to see the “signs of Allah”:-

Surah 30 verses 28-32
30:28 He gives you an example from your own society. Would you agree to make your employees equal partners in the provision We have bestowed upon you? Are you as mindful of them as you are mindful of yourselves? (So do you conceive of a ‘discriminating’ God!) Thus We explain Our messages for people who use their intellect.
30:29 But nay, the transgressors follow their own opinions without knowledge. But who can guide the one God has let go astray? (For violating His Laws of Guidance 4:88). To them there will be no helpers.
30:30 Therefore, devote yourself to the Upright Religion turning away from all that is false. Such is the natural aim of God’s creation of humans. And God’s Law of creation never changes. This is the perfect Religion but most people do not know. [Deen = Divinely prescribed System of Life. God has initiated the universe with a sublime Plan wherein all things are committed to His Law, and mankind being a part of the Universe, must live by His Laws]
30:31 Turn unto Him alone then, and be mindful of Him, and establish the Divine System and be not of the Mushrikeen who ascribe ‘partners’ to Him. [2:213]
30:32 Those who split up their religion becoming sects, each sect delighting in whatever beliefs they have. [3:104, 6:160, 23:53, 42:13. Sectarianism is invariably based upon taking humans as ‘authorities’]

Allah does not set a thing in motion and then change it according to His whims, this is repeated in the Quran but those who want to deceive themselves, as well as others, ignore them and look at other verses out of context and without proper understanding. Turning back to the Quran in a pure state (without any preconceived notions or beliefs) will bring you the reward of truthfulness and certainty.

Ask yourself a simple question, would this virgin birth have made people more likely to follow Jesus? Where in the Bible or the Quran does it say that the virgin birth of Jesus was used to amaze the people and make them follow him? Jesus himself does not mention or use this false fact to attract followers but asked the people to follow the Islamic message as revealed to him by Allah.

Bible, John, chapter 8 verse 26
"Just what I have been claiming all along," Jesus replied. "I have much to say in judgment of you. But he who sent me is reliable, and what I have heard from him I tell the world."

And the very appropriate verse that relates to all deniers of Allah’s revelation, whatever name you want to call yourself:-

Chapter 8 verse 47
He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God."
If you still doubt this then what does it mean when Allah says in:-

Surah 112
Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;
Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
He begets not, nor is He begotten;
And there is none like unto Him.

“He was not begotten, nor does He BEGET”.

Allah clearly states that he does not beget anyone. This is one of the touchstones of the Quran, clearly stated for what is God or not. How can Muslims state that He created Jesus without a human father because that means Allah begot Jesus which is not the case? If Allah “created” Jesus by the process of “BE” in the way that they claim then this means that the entity that did this is not Allah because it goes against the touchstone of Surah Akhlas. Creation by “BE”, which in the so called Muslim (mis)understanding means not with the help of a human father, is just the same as begetting, you cannot twist or hide behind words! Our created, not begotten is the same as the Christian viewpoint of begotten, not created.

Allah says to look to the universe and see how things are following His Commands, i.e. laws of nature, so a human born without a father is unnatural and against Allah’s teachings. All things in the universe follow Allah’s will; they act in accordance with Allah’s will, they move by Allah’s will. Allah does not play with His creation because this would be ungodly. He does not have human emotions yet He understands us all too well. An analogy I have heard from a well known speaker on Islam and comparative religion, Dr Zakir Naik (he does excellent work in promoting Islam and debates on comparative religions, although he does follow the hadith line a bit too much for my liking when it suits him, exactly what other religions do but it is always easier to see others mistakes and not your own, take note Brother Zakir) is to say that a manufacturer makes a VCR and gives an instruction manual for its use. The Quran is the instruction manual for mankind from Allah and He knows best what we need for our life on earth. The manual for a VCR gives clear instructions on its use, how to play, how to record, fast forward etc. but you will not see any other instructions that have nothing to do with the VCR, nor extra instructions that are not required for its proper function. If I made a VCR then I would not make it produce a cup of tea as well, that would be going against the purpose and function of the original invention. Some may say that Allah is quite capable of doing anything He chooses; Allah can do anything He wants, He is the Absolute Authority over everything; He could have made Jesus from a virgin women but He did not because Allah does not do anything un-Godly. He cannot tell a lie, He cannot deceive anyone, He cannot make another Allah, etc and He will certainly not violate any law, value or principle He has created for His created universe so virgin birth is a no, no!

Surah 6 verses 101-105
6:101 Wonderful Originator of the heavens and the earth; how can He have a son when He never chose for Himself a mate? He creates all things (and does not procreate 112:3.) and He is the Profound Knower of all things and events.
6:102 Such is God, your Sustainer. There is no god but He. No one is worthy of worship and obedience but He, the Creator of all things. Hence, obey Him! He is the Guardian of all and takes care of everything.
6:103 No vision can grasp Him while He grasps all vision. He is Unfathomable, Aware.
6:104 (You are not expected to know His Essence.) Say (O Prophet), “The manifest Enlightenment has come to you from your Lord. Whoever sees the Truth, does so for his own good. And whoever turns blind, hurts himself. I am not your keeper or guardian.”
6:105 Thus We give many facets to Our verses so that they may admit that you (O Prophet) have indeed taken all this to heart in the most excellent manner. And (through this method of Tasreef) We make it clear to people who use what they learn.

How can Allah have a son when He has no wife? The question is so absurd that we Muslims laugh at the thought of a Mrs God sitting next to Allah (or the blasphemous notion, however much the Christians want to wriggle with words and meanings, of Mary being the “mother of God!)! If Allah says that He cannot have a son because He has no wife, then how can a woman have a son without a husband? Believe and follow the truth and it will be for the good of your own soul; or continue in ignorance and blindness and you will have a very hot future in Hellfire.

Messages In This Thread

About MARY-peace be upon her
Sr.Saad -- Sunday, 28 February 2010, 4:07 am
Re: About MARY-peace be upon her?!
Dr Shabbir -- Sunday, 28 February 2010, 12:53 pm
Re: About MARY-peace be upon her
Sr.Saad -- Sunday, 28 February 2010, 2:57 pm
Re: About MARY-peace be upon her?!
Dr Shabbir -- Sunday, 28 February 2010, 3:03 pm
Re: Virgin birth part 1
Jawaid Ahmed -- Monday, 1 March 2010, 2:49 pm
Re: Virgin birth part 1
Dr Shabbir -- Monday, 1 March 2010, 3:04 pm
Re:virgin birth part 2
Jawaid Ahmed -- Monday, 1 March 2010, 2:51 pm
Re:virgin birth part 2
Dr Shabbir -- Monday, 1 March 2010, 3:04 pm
Re:virgin birth part 2
Jawaid Ahmed -- Monday, 1 March 2010, 3:07 pm
Re:virgin birth part 2
Dr Shabbir -- Monday, 1 March 2010, 4:03 pm
Re:virgin birth part 2
Jawaid Ahmed -- Monday, 1 March 2010, 4:17 pm
Re:virgin birth part 2
Dr Shabbir -- Monday, 1 March 2010, 9:35 pm
Mother of God
Dr Shabbir -- Monday, 1 March 2010, 4:14 pm
Re: Mother of God
Jawaid Ahmed -- Monday, 1 March 2010, 4:22 pm
Re: peace be upon her?!
Dr Shabbir -- Sunday, 28 February 2010, 2:31 pm
Re: peace be upon her?!
Sr.Saad -- Sunday, 28 February 2010, 2:54 pm