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Re: Verse 22:5
By:Laila Noor
Date: Friday, 8 January 2010, 10:10 am
In Response To: Verse 22:5 (Noman Waseem)

41:53 In time We will show them Our signs in the utmost Horizons and within themselves, so that it will become clear to them that this Qur’an is certainly the truth. Is it not enough for them to know that your Lord is Witness to all things (including this proclamation)? [9:31-33, 13:31, 14:48, 18:48, 41:53, 48:28, 51:20-21, 61:9]

Dear Mr. Waseem,

In the security of your backyard, you can push the wheel-barrow backwards. But do not drive your car in the reverse gear on the highway even for a minute. While human knowledge advances fast, with you insisting on driving your thoughts backwards, expect an intellectual crash happening every second. Then, even if your mind survives the collisions, soon you will find yourself reinventing the wheel.

This was only a rhetorical statement for amusement.

Read THE BABY JESUS on this forum by brother Jawaid Ahmed.

http://www.ourbeacon.com/cgi-bin/bbs60x/admin_config.pl?page=1;md=read;id=314123119149710

There are numerous examples in the Qur'an where we must try to understand the Qur'an according to the current status of human knowledge. For example, here is QXP most beautifully strolling along with the current human knowledge. (From "Who Wrote The Qur'an?")

Tell me which 50-100 year old translation would have all this information and understanding of the Qur'an.

If the Quran was “authored” by Muhammad (S), you must also believe the following:

1. He knew that the earth and the heavenly bodies were once a single cohesive mass that was exploded asunder.
21:30 Are the disbelievers not aware that the heavens and earth used to be one solid mass and We exploded them asunder? ...

Here is a clear allusion to the Big Bang theory. Numerous celestial bodies came into being and started swimming along in their orbits. Almost all modern astrophysicists believe that this Universe has originated as one entity from one single element, Hydrogen, that became consolidated with gravity and then broke apart into celestial bodies. 21:33, 24:45, 36:40, 79:30.
If you do not believe that he had access to special knowledge that made possible this prefiguring of the modern Big Bang theory - a theory entirely unknown to the seventh century world - you must conclude that 21:30 of the Quran is merely an intriguing coincidence, a matter of getting something right by chance.

Perhaps this passage is simply an intriguing coincidence. If it is, however, it is not the only one.

2. He must have known what modern science knows about the life on earth: That life originated from water and that all living beings have water in their composition.
24:45 And God has created every living creature from water. Some of them crawl on their bellies, some walk on two legs, and some walk on four …
21:30 … And that out of water We made every living thing? Will they not, then, acknowledge the truth?

The biological and evolutionary science strongly attests to this fact. We know that 80-85% of the protoplasm is water. The science of evolution also proves that life on the planet initially began from water.

3. He knew that things are created in pairs?

By the way, this discovery earned the British physicist, Paul Dirac, the Nobel Prize in 1933.
36:36 Glory to Him Who has created pairs of everything that the earth grows, and of themselves, and of things they have no knowledge yet.
43:12 And He it is Who has created all things in pairs ….

Let us think of animal and plant life, male and female flowers, acid and alkali, positive and negative magnetic poles, the electrical currents, action and reaction, matter and antimatter, explosion and implosion and so on. The apparent few exceptions to the rule will qualify for ‘and of things they have no knowledge yet’.

4. Muhammad (S), the supposed "author" of the Quran, must have known about the relativity of time.
22:47 And so (O Prophet) they challenge you to hasten the doom, but God never fails to fulfill His promise. A day of your Lord is like a thousand of your years.
23:112 He (God) will ask, “What number of years have you spent on earth?”
23:113 They will say, “We stayed a day or part of a day. But ask those who keep count.”
23:114 He will say, “You stayed only a little, if you had only realized then!”
70:4 The Universal forces and the Divine Energy ascend unto Him in a Day the measure of which is fifty thousand years.

All things in the Universe evolve in stages to fulfill the Divine Plan. Some of these stages take one thousand years each, and others fifty thousand years by the human calendar. Either the exalted Prophet had some extraordinary source of knowledge that allowed him to discuss the relativity of time thirteen and a half centuries before Einstein, or we are looking at another intriguing coincidence!

Which is it?

And yet:

5. The same “author” must have known that the Universe is constantly expanding.
51:47 And it is We Who built the Universe with power, and certainly, it is We Who are steadily expanding it.

The Belgian cosmologist Georges Lemaitre and the Russian scientist A. Friemann first proposed the continued expansion of the Universe. Soon after, in 1929, the American astronomer Edwin Hubble was the first to observe and document the phenomenon. Today, all experts on astronomy accept this astounding scientific discovery. The Quran had given us this knowledge 14 centuries ago!

6. The Prophet must have known that the celestial bodies ‘swim along’ in their orbits through their own power.

‘Sabah’ means swimming along.
21:33 And He is the One Who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. They swim along, each in an orbit.
31:29 …He has subjected the sun and the moon to His laws, each running along its course for an appointed term…
36:40 It is not for the sun to overtake the moon, nor can the night outrun the day. All of them swim along in their orbits.

It is amazing to note a 1400-year-old book describing the sun and the moon, not only moving, but rather swimming along in their assigned orbits (21:33, 36:40). Who but the Creator could have had that knowledge at the time when science had no concept of orbits in the space? The Greeks thought of the sky as a revolving dome on which the sun, the moon and stars were studded fixed!

7. He must have known that there is cosmic material between galaxies.
5:17 God’s is the Dominion of the heavens and earth and all that is between them.
19:65 Lord of the heavens and the earth and of all that is between them! Therefore, serve Him and be constant in His service. Do you know any whose name is worthy of mentioning side by side with His? [‘all that is between them’ = ‘The stardust’ = Intergalactic material]
Numerous other verses in the Quran refer to "The earth and the skies and that which is between them" (for instance 20:6, 25:59, 32:4). The great U.S. telescope Mount Wilson only in the 20th century has started describing the Interstellar Galactic Material. Who could have even thought of its existence even until 200 years ago!

8. He knew that iron is not native to earth. It has, instead, extraterrestrial sources.
57:25 …And We have bestowed on from high the iron in which there is awesome power and many benefits for people...
[As proven by modern science, the iron is not native to earth. It has come down from higher celestial bodies, the Nova stars. In 1920, Charles Edouard Guillaume was awarded the Nobel Prize in physics in recognition of the service he had rendered to this research.]

9. He must have known about Time Zones.
7:97 Can the people of any community ever feel secure that Our requital will not come upon them at night, while they are asleep?
7:98 Or do the people of townships feel secure from the coming of Our requital upon them in the daytime while they play?
[The Hour will come upon the Universe suddenly. Some areas on earth will have day, and others night.]
6:31 Losers are those who deny meeting with God, until the Hour suddenly comes upon them.
7:187 They ask you (O Messenger), about the Hour, when the end of the world will come to pass. Say, "That knowledge is only with my Lord. He alone will manifest it at the appropriate time. Heavy it is in the heavens and earth. It will come upon you suddenly."

10. He knew about winds pollinating the plants?
15:22 We send the winds as pollinators that fertilize plants, and cause water to come down from the height for you to drink. Who holds the stores of the Universe? You do not.
It took eleven centuries after the exalted Prophet for science to learn that winds play a major role in fertilizing the plants!

11. If Muhammad (S) is the author of the Quran, he must have known that the earth is ovoid in shape.

This was impossible to know in the 7th century.
39:5 He is the One Who has created the heavens and earth with a definite purpose. He rolls the night over the day, and rolls the day over the night. And He has subjected the sun and the moon, each running along its course for a term appointed. Is He not the Almighty, the Absolver of Imperfections?
Yukawwir = ‘He rolls’ comes from the word Kurah = Ball.

Astronauts have observed the phenomenon happening exactly as stated in the Quran and photographed the night and day "wrapping around" each other!
79:30 And after that, He made the earth shoot out from the Cosmic Nebula and spread it out oval (flattened at its poles). [Dhahaha entails all the meanings rendered. 21:30, 41:11]

All these might be coincidences. But the skeptic’s problems are not over yet. There are far too many coincidences in the Book that is supposed to have been written by a man who passed on in the seventh century, year 632.

Galileo was tried in court and imprisoned in his home only because he accepted and supported Copernicus's theory that the planets move around the sun. This is because the Bible declares the earth to be a static body around which the sun, the moon and the stars are revolving. The Quran on the other hand, perfectly agrees with the Earth being an ovospheric body that revolves around the sun.

12. He was aware of the gravitational force between heavenly bodies.
13:2 God is the One Who raised the skies without pillars visible to you. Then, upon the Throne of His Almightiness, He assumed Supreme Control of the entire Universe…

13. He must have known that even the sun is not stationary. It is fast moving to an appointed destination.
36:38 And the sun: it is running to its appointed destination. That is the measure of the Almighty, the Knower.

Until recently, the sun was thought to be static. But, the celebrated Russian philosopher, astronomer and mystic, P.D. Ouspensky (author of Tertium Organum, 1878-1947), had maintained that any science that contradicted the Quran would turn out to be false. Then, during Ouspensky's lifetime, it was discovered that the sun, along with its Solar System, is moving towards a specified destination at 12 miles per second, 43,200 miles per hour! This destination has been assigned names such as the Solar Apex and the Constellation of Hercules.

14. He knew that the earth's atmosphere is a protective shield around the planet.
21:32 And We have rendered the high atmosphere a canopy well guarded. Yet, they turn away from the signs that these things point to.

[Canopy: The atmosphere keeps in safe balance the gases and temperature, and protects us from the incoming noxious rays and meteorites.]

And much more!

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Naushad P. -- Saturday, 9 January 2010, 6:51 am
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Noman Waseem -- Friday, 8 January 2010, 5:13 pm
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