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Re: Murderer Maj. Hasan is a "Pious" Namazi
By:Firasat
Date: Sunday, 8 November 2009, 10:58 pm

Dear bro Damon & all bros and sisters, SA

I intend to further engage in this debate. Here is your quote:

"Again, I am not defending the followers of N2I. Truth be told, I can't stand them. But I think people here have the wrong focus if they concentrate strictly on N2I followers and the things they do as opposed to concentrating on any and all enemies of DEEN and Mankind. In fact, I can point out two other events that happened very recently and both of which made national news.

On June 10th, 2009 a White Supremacist by the name of James W. Von Brunn went on a shooting spree at the Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington D.C., killing two while wounding several others. I checked the archives of this forum and noticed that no one here started a thread condemning him and his actions. Nothing.

On August 4th, 2009 a guy named George Sodini went into the LA Fitness Club in Pittsburgh and went on a shooting spree Killing three women, wounding several others and finally taking his own life. Again, I checked the archives of this forum and noticed that no one posted a thread condemning George Sodini and his actions. Nothing. But as soon as an N2I follower does the same thing, who by the way was in a more unique and constricting situation than James W. Von Brunn and George Sodini, a thread is immediately given birth bashing the heck out of Maj. Nidal Hasan and his N2I mentality. This is a shame and is actually very sad. Very sad indeed. Think brothers and Sisters. Think and Wake Up. "

I was not discussing the actions of Maj Hasan, rather the after effects of it. That is the reason i said, "why" is not of any significance of the after effects. It could have been anybody with any Muslim name and we would be dealing with more or less similar situation.

Mr. Brunn and Mr. Sodini belong to different community, and that community has the benefit of being majority community and also has larger benefit of being largely considered an asset to the people in large. It is historical truth that the Christians as religious community have carried out fathomless atrocities against their own people, jews, Muslims, and many others. But, they are not alone, similar "holy" and unholy acts have been done by other religious groups. Religions do have this common factor. Knowledge of the history is in the past. Life lived today will be the history of tomorrow, nevertheless, life is lived in present. It is certainly not the past. future depends on today.

In present, the actions of the above mentioned two murderers will be considered the actions of the individual. But the actions of Maj Hasan has a larger repercussion. Unfair, yes, but it is the fact. We, as a community need to learn to deal with the realities on the ground. That is the reason I am promoting the actions which will increase the level of trust the communities around us may put in our community at large. That can not happen unless we:

1. Recognize and own our problems. We are where we are, according to the laws of Allah. Poor education, deficient trainings, lack of innovations and advancement, we did not prepare to ward off enemies as we were told to. It may take a long time just to sum that up. It may take few Hajjs to reach to the bottom. Wait a minute, you see how you effected me. Now I am diluting the subject by expanding it. The ground realities have to be recognized and accepted. Slogans will get us nowhere.

2. Learn to deal with injustice done to us. Here is a lesson, a Mom, whose child was killed by a drunk driver started a champaign and awareness against the problem. She did not go out to hurt and harm that driver, or his kins.One current example of injustice is the continuous grabbing of the land, forceful evictions of the rightful owners in certain part of the world. How to deal with it. Without understanding the ground realities, you can not get to the point. 1,2 3, --10 Million Muslims can protest peacefully bringing up the well established Human right charters, the rest of the world will join. But how can we do it, when we have been violating the human rights within the territories under our own control.

The list is long and beyond the scope of this discussion. Starting point is that we can not proceed further unless we start gaining the trust we have lost.

In my humble opinion, the debate should be how we do it. That is reason that "why" of Mr Hasan's action is an academic topic and is a separate discussion.

Firasat

Messages In This Thread

Murderer Maj. Hasan is a "Pious" Namazi
Firasat -- Friday, 6 November 2009, 5:22 am
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Courtney -- Friday, 6 November 2009, 5:04 pm
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M.Irtaza -- Saturday, 7 November 2009, 8:42 pm
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Firasat -- Sunday, 8 November 2009, 4:57 am
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Sidqi -- Sunday, 8 November 2009, 6:35 pm
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Firasat -- Monday, 9 November 2009, 1:16 am
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Sidqi -- Monday, 9 November 2009, 4:22 am
Re:Maj. Hasan whatever, myth of educating them.
Firasat -- Monday, 9 November 2009, 9:46 pm
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Mubashir -- Friday, 6 November 2009, 5:26 pm
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Damon -- Saturday, 7 November 2009, 5:40 pm
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Firasat -- Sunday, 8 November 2009, 5:14 am
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Umar -- Sunday, 8 November 2009, 2:32 pm
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Firasat -- Sunday, 8 November 2009, 8:50 pm
Umar: raison de etre vs rai·son d'etre :-)
Dr. Shabbir -- Monday, 9 November 2009, 2:27 pm
Re: Umar: raison de etre vs rai·son d'etre :-)
Umar -- Tuesday, 10 November 2009, 1:14 pm
Re: Umar: raison de etre vs rai·son d'etre :-)
Jawaid Ahmed -- Tuesday, 10 November 2009, 3:13 pm
Re: Umar: raison de etre vs rai·son d'etre :-)
Dr. Shabbir -- Wednesday, 11 November 2009, 10:24 pm
Re: Umar: raison de etre vs rai·son d'etre :-)
Umar -- Thursday, 12 November 2009, 3:32 pm
Re: Murderer Maj. Hasan is a "Pious" Namazi
Damon -- Sunday, 8 November 2009, 4:10 pm
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Firasat -- Sunday, 8 November 2009, 8:32 pm
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Firasat -- Sunday, 8 November 2009, 10:58 pm
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Dr. Shabbir -- Sunday, 8 November 2009, 9:24 pm
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Chibuzo Ohanaja -- Monday, 9 November 2009, 3:44 am