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Re: Murderer Maj. Hasan is a "Pious" Namazi
By:Damon
Date: Sunday, 8 November 2009, 4:10 pm

Bro Firasat,

I think you are missing the point of my post in this thread. For the sake of brevity, I'd like to respond to FOUR KEY STATEMENTS that you've made which must be responded to.

FIRASAT SAID:
"Why" is not of that much significance."

DAMON:
I totally disagree. "WHY" is ALWAYS of significance otherwise what's the point of even discussing it or bringing it up? Also, if we don't try to get to the "WHY" factor, then how are we supposed to devise proper solutions to help prevent such events in the future? Most importantly, knowing "WHY" can lead us to the root causes as well as the PEOPLE who harbor and/or foster these root causes. Do your investigation into such things with diligence, courage and without premade biases and you'd be surprised what you'd uncover.

FIRASAT SAID:
"What the others are doing against the humanity is a different story,"

DAMON:
I can't believe such a statement could be made like this. What EVERYONE is doing is NOT a different story because we are all ONE MANKIND. One situation in what part of the world can have a huge effect on a people in a different part of the world. And Allah says in The Quran that one who takes a life (be he Muslim, Christian, Jew or Disbeliever) unless in the course of justice, it is as if he has murdered all of mankind. So what Maj. Hasan has done is definately atrocious but it is no more atrocious than any others who have done and continue to do the same thing.

FIRASAT SAID:
"We are losing a right to protest against those atrocities because we are not willing to own our religious problem"

DAMON:
YOU are losing the right to protest against atrocities for three reasons and three reasons only...

One, you only wish to protest against the atrocities of the N2I followers when, as I already pointed out, they ARE NOT the people who harm humanity the most. This I know for a fact. Challenge me if you disagree. You should be protesting against ALL ATROCITIES no matter who the perpetrators of those atrocities are...Muslim, non-Muslim, Black, White, Indian, Straight, Gay, etc.

The second reason is because you have chosen to fight a battle that we are not obligated to fight as you said in your quote above "we are not willing to own our religious problem" What religious problem? Where in The Quran can anyone show me that my fight is strictly against N2I and no one else? You have chosen to take on a "religious problem" when that isn't our mission to begin with. Our mission is to establish The Divine System which means taking the message TO THE PEOPLE and standing up FOR JUSTICE. By focusing only on the followers of N2I you have chosen a battle that Allah has not ordained for us. Allah has ordained for us to stand up for justice, share His message with ALL of humanity and fight against ALL enemies of humanity (and not just N2I).

Thirdly, Islam IS NOT a religion. It is not Madhaab, it is DEEN, which is an orderly system of life. So CLAIMING a "religious problem" for yourself when Islam itself is not a religion is certainly an irrational thing to do.

FIRASAT SAID:
"But most of the terrorists are N2I, and 95% of their victims are Muslims"

DAMON:
You are quite correct that the majority of the victims of N2I who practice terrorism are other so-called Muslims. However, you are dead wrong in your assumption that most terrorists of the world are N2I people. I can easily challenge you on this. First, you need to learn what exactly terrorism is, what are tactics that are used in the practice of terrorism and for what purpose is terrorism is implemented. Do that and then study history. I mean really, really study history and different historical events around the world. If you are willing to do that and put aside your false notions that N2I is the culprit for everything, then Allah will guide you and you will come to learn who the TRUE terrorists are. They are merely more sophisticated than the simple minded N2I people which helps them to operate incognito.

Again, I am not defending the followers of N2I. Truth be told, I can't stand them. But I think people here have the wrong focus if they concentrate strictly on N2I followers and the things they do as opposed to concentrating on any and all enemies of DEEN and Mankind. In fact, I can point out two other events that happened very recently and both of which made national news.

On June 10th, 2009 a White Supremacist by the name of James W. Von Brunn went on a shooting spree at the Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington D.C., killing two while wounding several others. I checked the archives of this forum and noticed that no one here started a thread condemning him and his actions. Nothing.

On August 4th, 2009 a guy named George Sodini went into the LA Fitness Club in Pittsburgh and went on a shooting spree Killing three women, wounding several others and finally taking his own life. Again, I checked the archives of this forum and noticed that no one posted a thread condemning George Sodini and his actions. Nothing. But as soon as an N2I follower does the same thing, who by the way was in a more unique and constricting situation than James W. Von Brunn and George Sodini, a thread is immediately given birth bashing the heck out of Maj. Nidal Hasan and his N2I mentality. This is a shame and is actually very sad. Very sad indeed. Think brothers and Sisters. Think and Wake Up.

Messages In This Thread

Murderer Maj. Hasan is a "Pious" Namazi
Firasat -- Friday, 6 November 2009, 5:22 am
Re: Murderer Maj. Hasan is a "Pious" Namazi
Courtney -- Friday, 6 November 2009, 5:04 pm
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M.Irtaza -- Saturday, 7 November 2009, 8:42 pm
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Firasat -- Sunday, 8 November 2009, 4:57 am
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Sidqi -- Sunday, 8 November 2009, 6:35 pm
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Firasat -- Monday, 9 November 2009, 1:16 am
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Sidqi -- Monday, 9 November 2009, 4:22 am
Re:Maj. Hasan whatever, myth of educating them.
Firasat -- Monday, 9 November 2009, 9:46 pm
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Mubashir -- Friday, 6 November 2009, 5:26 pm
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Damon -- Saturday, 7 November 2009, 5:40 pm
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Firasat -- Sunday, 8 November 2009, 5:14 am
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Umar -- Sunday, 8 November 2009, 2:32 pm
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Firasat -- Sunday, 8 November 2009, 8:50 pm
Umar: raison de etre vs rai·son d'etre :-)
Dr. Shabbir -- Monday, 9 November 2009, 2:27 pm
Re: Umar: raison de etre vs rai·son d'etre :-)
Umar -- Tuesday, 10 November 2009, 1:14 pm
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Jawaid Ahmed -- Tuesday, 10 November 2009, 3:13 pm
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Dr. Shabbir -- Wednesday, 11 November 2009, 10:24 pm
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Umar -- Thursday, 12 November 2009, 3:32 pm
Re: Murderer Maj. Hasan is a "Pious" Namazi
Damon -- Sunday, 8 November 2009, 4:10 pm
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Firasat -- Sunday, 8 November 2009, 8:32 pm
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Firasat -- Sunday, 8 November 2009, 10:58 pm
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Dr. Shabbir -- Sunday, 8 November 2009, 9:24 pm
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Chibuzo Ohanaja -- Monday, 9 November 2009, 3:44 am