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Qamar Zaman, Aidid Safar, Saim Bakar
By:Saim Bakar
Date: Saturday, 31 October 2009, 3:11 am
In Response To: Qamar Zaman, Aidid Safar, Saim Bakar (Dr. Shabbir )

Salam Dr Shabbir and all. This is Saim Bakar.

Please visit my Blog SAIM BAKAR VS BIBLICAL 'ISLAM' at http://biblical-islam.blogspot.com.

Aidid Safar and me are fine and well. We will be meeting up in Paris, France next spring. Want to come?

Dr Shabbir and friends, there is nothing to be afraid of. Have faith in yourselves and place your trust in the Creator.

I have been busy studying and reading more.

Yes there is no 'fasting', praying, hajj pilgrimage and stuff in the Quran.

And I have realised now that there is no such thing as "heaven" or "hell" in the Quran. These are Biblical terms.

The Quran speaks about jannah and naar. More importantly the Quran refers to Jannah as an "allegory." The Quran says the Jannah is a mithalan. Mithakan means an allegory, an example.

Where do I get this idea from? The kickoff is in Surah Baqarah verse 26. (The one where Allah teaches us using 'allegories' or mithalan of mosquitoes and such).

Please look up the meaning of the word allegory in the English dictionary too. If you have a Concordance do a word search on the arabic word 'mithalan'. The Jannah is a mithalan.

You cannot really expect "heaven" to have rivers of milk (what they milk the cows into a river?) and rivers of wine (what the wine distillery empties into a river too)?

These are allegorical descriptions of Jannah - a situation (not a place) of plenty, ease and comfort. Naar is just discomfort, problems, hardships, hunger, poverty, stupidity.

There is no need to get upset if you dont agree.

There is no "heaven" and "hell" in the Quran. No use telling someone 'Go to Hell'. There is no such place.

There is only Jannah and Naar. Ease and comfort or pain and discomfort.

Oh one more thing : there is no Muhammad either. Check Surah 47 (Surah AL Muhammad ! !) for yourself. The Quran uses the words muhammadun and muhammadin which are adjectives - meaning a 'praiseworthy person'. So in the Quran, the name of the Prophet is not Muhammad.

Also check 'ahmadu' which is also an adjective. In his translation, Rashad translates 'ahmadu' as 'shall be praised'.

Salam again. Saim.

Messages In This Thread

Qamar Zaman, Aidid Safar, Saim Bakar
Dr. Shabbir -- Sunday, 20 September 2009, 8:07 pm
Qamar Zaman, Aidid Safar, Saim Bakar
Syed Habib -- Sunday, 20 September 2009, 10:12 pm
Iqbal's "Punjabi Musalman"apply to all of us
anwer -- Monday, 21 September 2009, 2:58 am
Re: Iqbal's "Punjabi Musalman"
Dr. Shabbir -- Monday, 21 September 2009, 10:33 am
Re: Iqbal's "Punjabi Musalman"apply to all of us
shahalam -- Wednesday, 23 September 2009, 1:19 am
Re: Iqbal's "Punjabi Musalman"apply to all of us
anwer -- Wednesday, 23 September 2009, 1:54 pm
Re: Iqbal's "Punjabi Musalman"apply to all of us
Dr. Shabbir -- Wednesday, 23 September 2009, 3:58 pm
Re: Iqbal's "Punjabi Musalman"apply to all of us
anwer -- Thursday, 24 September 2009, 3:55 am
Re: Iqbal's "Punjabi Musalman"apply to all of us
shahalam -- Thursday, 24 September 2009, 5:03 am
Re: Iqbal's "Punjabi Musalman"apply to all of us
anwer -- Thursday, 24 September 2009, 11:59 pm
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Shangrila -- Friday, 25 September 2009, 11:11 am
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Dr. Shabbir -- Monday, 21 September 2009, 11:53 am
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Mubashr -- Wednesday, 23 September 2009, 11:17 pm
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lubna -- Thursday, 24 September 2009, 11:56 pm
Dr Qamar Zaman is genuine.
Dr. Shabbir -- Friday, 25 September 2009, 11:18 am
Dr Qamar Zaman is genuine.
Lubna -- Friday, 25 September 2009, 11:13 pm
Dr Qamar Zaman is genuine.
Dr. Shabbir -- Friday, 25 September 2009, 11:17 pm
Dr Qamar Zaman is genuine.
Anwer Suri -- Saturday, 26 September 2009, 5:55 am
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Saim Bakar -- Saturday, 31 October 2009, 3:11 am
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Dr. Shabbir -- Saturday, 31 October 2009, 8:20 am
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Saim Bakar -- Saturday, 31 October 2009, 9:59 am
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Dr. Shabbir -- Saturday, 31 October 2009, 1:22 pm
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Saim Bakar -- Saturday, 31 October 2009, 10:03 am
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Dr. Shabbir -- Saturday, 31 October 2009, 1:04 pm