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Hadith? What Hadith?
Date: Monday, 19 October 2009, 5:25 am



True. But ALL ahadith are "weak" and "fabricated"! NOT ONE is "Sahih" (authentic)! This is because Hadith is all HEARSAY. Can you understand what "HEARSAY" is, Bint? If not, read Bukhari and Muslim and four other books (actually countless other books from Sunnis and Shi'as): They all start from "Sami'tu" (I heard from...) or "Aan" this annd "Aan" that....( heard from this or that). Now if you have a bit of comprehension ability, you will CLEARLY see that what follows after "sami'tu" and "Aan" is all HEARSAY!

So if ALL hadith business is hearsay, you can ask "What is Sahih, then?". Answer is the Glorious Qur'an. You might say well, the Qur'an is not "Hadith". Wrong. The QUR'AN IS HADITH because Allah called it the "Best Hadith" (25:30)

""39:23 Allah has revealed (from time to time) the most beautiful Hadith in the form of a Book, consistent with itself, (yet) repeating""

Not only that, Allah has CLEARLY commanded us "NOT to follow any OTHER Hadith":

"45:6 What Hadith, other than the ayaat of Allah do they believe?"

as also 77:50, 7:185.

"Well, the word "Hadith" used in these ayaat does not mean the same Hadith what I am talking about>", you say.

To this I say "okay, then please show me an ayah where the word "Hadith" is used by Allah in the SAME sense that you are talking about?".

"What about the Sunnah of the Rasoolallah (sws)?", you ask.

"Okay, forget about the Hadith, just go into the Qur'an and find out ONE ayah where you see the word "Sunnah" being in the sense you are asking me about", I respond.


Yes, true Muslims--not those about whom the Prophet of Islam will complain to Allah:

"25:30 Then the Messenger will say: "O my Lord! Truly my people took this Qur'an for just foolish nonsense.""


One??? How many do you want me to quote? Do you have the time?


Only a naive person will make this illogical comparison between Daniel Pipes and Iftikhar Hai. Iftikhar wants you to come back to the Qur'an. Daniel Pipes wants you to run away from it.

Bint, you should really pay more attention to people's posts. I am sorry to say that you woefully lack the ability to differentiate between a friend and a foe--a basic comprehension problem.


True—but what are the TEACHINGS of the Holy Prophet (sws)? Can you tell me? I want “AUTHENTIC teachings, not what your fake ancient imams told you with “sami’tu” and “aan”—the “Smi’tu” and “aan” can never be called “authentic”. Do you understand what “authentic” means, Bint?


He quoted the Qur’an. Tell him where he went wrong!!!

Can I suggest something to you, Bint? Please learn the Qur’an from Allah—He is the best teacher—not from some ‘Ulema” or ancient “imam”—and certainly not from Taliban—all of them cannot lead you to anywhere except the “Pit”. Read 9:31 and 9:34.


Mr. Hai, shame on you for spreading lies!

- Quote one scholar who gives more importance to weak (or strong) hadith than Allah’s word. No Muslim can think of belittling Quran. The Quran and authentic hadith supplement and complement each other, not contradict each other. Any hadith that CONTRADICTS Quran is never accepted. Name one hadith that contradicts Quran and yet accepted by Muslims. Do you understand the difference between SUPPLEMENTING and CONTRADICTING? I don't think so.

- There’s no such group/school of thought as Wahabis. Who you serving by circulating Daniel Pipes and Robert Spencer’s agenda of lies and hatred.

- Quran promises eternally blessed life only to those who believe in Quran and the teachings of the Holy Prophet Sallallahu Alayhi Wassalam and do righteous deeds. You are inventing lies against Quran. Read Quran and you will be surprised how misled you are.

Bint Waleed

Messages In This Thread

Hadith? What Hadith?
irfan -- Monday, 19 October 2009, 5:25 am
Re: Hadith? What Hadith?
Jawaid Ahmed -- Monday, 19 October 2009, 12:14 pm
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Arif Shamim -- Monday, 19 October 2009, 6:45 pm
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irfan -- Tuesday, 20 October 2009, 1:24 am
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Umar -- Tuesday, 20 October 2009, 5:35 am
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Dr. Shabbir -- Tuesday, 20 October 2009, 10:26 am
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Umar -- Wednesday, 21 October 2009, 7:01 am