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Re: Why Salat actions are not mentioned.
By:Jawaid Ahmed
Date: Friday, 25 September 2009, 8:39 am

Dear Brother,

Your comments were most welcome and I understand your viewpoint. We all read the Quran with the minds that we have and taking verses literally can give us something as well as looking deeper at the allegorical, symbolic meanings. There are, of course, no secret codes, no standing on your head and reading upside down and finding hidden messages within it; it is clear to all who read it with pure minds:-

56:77 That this Qur’an is, indeed, a Noble Monograph.
56:78 In a well-guarded Book. [As conveyed to you]
56:79 This is a Book that none but the pure of mind can touch.
[Those who approach the Qur’an with minds contaminated with preconceived notions and extrinsic material, will never understand it. Mutahharoon = Those who rid their minds of blind following and false dogmas. (2:222). It is a common insult to say that men cannot touch it without wudhu (ablution) and women cannot touch it during menstruation. Why would God place hurdles in the way of approaching His Guidance?]
56:80 A Revelation from the Lord of the Worlds.
56:81 Now, is it this Hadith that you would hold in low esteem? [And uphold manmade hadith]

No hadith should contradict the Quran if they truthfully came down to us from the Messenger, and the only hadith we are asked to follow is the Hadith of Allah, the QURAN.

As regards running away from my duties of praying, I looked for answers in the Quran for doing the ritualised namaz prayers and found none. I looked to the traditions and found no coherent verses on them. I looked to the Muslims and found they prayed like their parents or local Mullahs taught them, but nowhere did I find the instructions from Allah.

I am not a liberal but a religious fundamentalist, sorry; I should have said a DEEN fundamentalist, for the two are not the same. The first is the man made notion of how to worship, the second is the Allah given notion of obedience through intellectual thought and consideration to His laws, thus deriving maximum benefit for us; the first is to bring blessings to their god, the second brings blessings and rewards for us. Sacrifice must bring the beneficial results and I do not see the results of prayer doing anything concrete in this world, on the contrary, it has not stopped the division of the Ummah into the numerous sects we see, each holding to the viewpoint that they are on the correct path!

I have debated with Christians about the Trinity, God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit, and no matter what you say, they do not put away their beliefs when faced with truth (there are no verses in the Bible describing a Trinitarian God, but there are hundreds of verses where God is described as ONE).

Surah 2
170. When it is said to them: "Follow what Allah hath revealed:" They say: "Nay! We shall follow the ways of our fathers." What! Even though their fathers were void of wisdom and guidance?
171. The parable of those who reject Faith is as if one were to shout like a goat-herd, to things that listen to nothing but calls and cries: Deaf, dumb, and blind, they are void of wisdom.

I do not mean to be insulting or accuse you of anything, but it is human nature to hold onto what they believe ( look at Hinduism, 600,000,000 of them worshipping monkey, elephant, blue skinned gods and goddesses, and I presume you do not agree with them, but try telling them they are wrong!).

So my duty, if I believe I am right (and I am not arrogant to believe I know everything and I hope I can see where I am wrong and correct myself), is to present my side of the story and let you present yours. We can then shake hands (figuratively) and stay as friends (no insults or derogatory statements, please make a note some other forum members!) and respect each other. Those that seek to oppose dissent or simple questioning of our beliefs by force, eg murder, are showing themselves for what they are, on the wrong path.

Salam
Brother Jawaid

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UmeAimon -- Thursday, 17 September 2009, 9:00 am
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Dr. Shabbir -- Thursday, 17 September 2009, 2:59 pm
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Mubashir -- Friday, 18 September 2009, 9:33 pm
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Damon -- Saturday, 19 September 2009, 12:16 am
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Dr. Shabbir -- Friday, 18 September 2009, 11:58 am
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Zubair Hussain -- Friday, 18 September 2009, 5:02 pm
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Syed Habib -- Friday, 18 September 2009, 5:32 pm
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Dr. Shabbir -- Friday, 18 September 2009, 8:51 pm
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Damon -- Saturday, 19 September 2009, 12:28 am
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Syed Habib -- Saturday, 19 September 2009, 5:25 pm
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Damon -- Saturday, 19 September 2009, 8:36 pm
Re: Br. Habib's Objections on “HAQIQAT-E- SOAM
Zubair -- Sunday, 20 September 2009, 2:08 am
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Syed Habib -- Saturday, 19 September 2009, 9:34 pm
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Umar -- Sunday, 20 September 2009, 1:56 pm
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Jawaid Ahmed -- Thursday, 17 September 2009, 3:13 pm
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Sidqi -- Thursday, 17 September 2009, 5:48 pm
First "Namaz" now "Roza" :)
anwer -- Friday, 18 September 2009, 12:08 am
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Badar -- Friday, 18 September 2009, 4:08 pm
Re: Objections on “HAQIQAT-E- SOAM”
Damon -- Friday, 18 September 2009, 12:10 am
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Mubashir -- Friday, 18 September 2009, 9:46 pm
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Anwer Suri -- Thursday, 24 September 2009, 2:25 pm
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Razi -- Saturday, 26 September 2009, 9:02 am
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UmeAimon -- Saturday, 26 September 2009, 3:21 pm
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Umar -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, 6:37 am
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Dr. Shabbir -- Saturday, 26 September 2009, 3:42 pm
God Almighty Himself Answers Your Questions
Zubair Hussain -- Friday, 18 September 2009, 5:13 pm
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Sidqi -- Friday, 18 September 2009, 6:32 pm
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Mubashir -- Friday, 18 September 2009, 9:54 pm
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Najamunnisa -- Saturday, 19 September 2009, 1:10 am
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shahalam -- Saturday, 19 September 2009, 5:38 am
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Zubair -- Saturday, 19 September 2009, 3:11 am
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Umar -- Sunday, 20 September 2009, 6:07 pm
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Dr. Shabbir -- Sunday, 20 September 2009, 8:04 pm
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Mona mir -- Sunday, 20 September 2009, 9:23 pm
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Dr. Shabbir -- Monday, 21 September 2009, 9:59 am
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Dr. Shabbir -- Monday, 21 September 2009, 10:18 am
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Zubair -- Monday, 21 September 2009, 3:40 pm
Salutes to Brother Zubair!
Dr. Shabbir -- Monday, 21 September 2009, 5:03 pm
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Zubair -- Monday, 21 September 2009, 8:02 pm
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Anwer Suri -- Thursday, 24 September 2009, 2:47 pm
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Mubashir -- Thursday, 24 September 2009, 5:27 pm
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UmeAimon -- Monday, 21 September 2009, 8:11 am
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Dr. Shabbir -- Saturday, 19 September 2009, 11:40 am
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Jawaid Ahmed -- Monday, 21 September 2009, 12:27 pm
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Zubair -- Monday, 21 September 2009, 5:33 pm
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Jawaid Ahmed -- Wednesday, 23 September 2009, 8:15 am
Re: Why Salat actions are not mentioned.
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Dr. Shabbir -- Friday, 25 September 2009, 11:26 am
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