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Re: Why Salat actions are not mentioned.
By:Jawaid Ahmed
Date: Thursday, 24 September 2009, 9:25 am

Dear brother Sidqi, Salam

You quoted the following and then stated that we follow the way of life of Abraham and that is where we get namaz from (the ritualised physical prayers); Not “Mohammadan” but “Abrahamic”.
5:6 O You who have chosen to be graced with belief! When you congregate for Salat, wash your faces and your forearms, hands to the elbows. Lightly rub you heads and your feet to the ankles. If you are in a state of ceremonial impurity, bathe your whole body. But, if you are ill or travelling, or coming from the privy, or are in a state of ceremonial impurity and find no water, then take clean sand or earth and lightly rub your faces and hands. (This will help you prepare mentally for congregational prayer 4:43). Allah does not wish to place upon you any difficulty, but to make you clean and to perfect His blessings upon you, that you be grateful.
Now about the salat procedure, since it has not been given, which is always quoted by followers and non-followers both to support their point of view.

Answer

This is a huge topic but I will keep it short. The above verse is fully detailed regarding the washing requirements prior to communal Salat, and some see this as preparing ourselves mentally for the events to follow, which may be better understood when we can do dry ablution which is not a physical washing/cleansing procedure. However, it would take only another one or two verses after this one to write the details about the physical aspects of Salat and what to say in order to stop any disagreement over what we should be doing. As you know there are no such instructions. Allah does not leave anything out just to play games and I respectfully suggest that the reason there are no instructions is because there is no need for them; we are not required to do them.
As concerning Abraham, please read the following
3:2 God, there is no god but He, the Living, the Self-Subsistent Sustainer of the Universe proclaims that:
3:3 He it is Who has sent down this Book to you (O Messenger) in Absolute Truth, confirming the authentic in what He has revealed before. He is the One Who revealed the Torah and the Gospel.
3:4 He has bestowed Guidance upon mankind before, and now He has sent the Final Criterion between right and wrong. Those who reject the revelations of God, theirs will be a strict retribution. God Almighty’s Law of Cause and Effect carries all things and actions to their logical outcome.

Judge the past with the Quran and not apply the past to the Quran.

Abraham did the following:-

2:127 As Abraham and Ishmael raised the foundations of the House they prayed earnestly, “Our Lord! Accept this from us. For, indeed, You alone are the All-Hearing, All-Knowing.”
2:128 “Our Lord! Make us submissive to You and of our descendants a community submissive to You. Show us the best ways to serve You and enable us to make amends. Surely, You are the Absolver of imperfections, the Merciful. [2:186, 2:286]
2:129 “Our Lord! Raise from among them a Messenger who will convey Your messages to them and instruct them in the Scripture (by personal example) and the Wisdom (behind each Command). And also teach them how to grow in goodness. You are Almighty, the Wise.”
[Tazkiah from Zaku = Development of the ‘self’ = Personal development = Self-actualization. This teaching will not be mere lecturing, but it will entail establishment of Deen (the Divinely Prescribed System of Life) in the individuals and in the society. Such a Benevolent society in turn helps the individual to grow in goodness and attain self-actualization. 2:231, 17:39, 33:34, 57:25]
2:130 Who would abandon the Creed of Abraham except the one who ridicules his ‘self’ with folly? For, certainly, We elected him in this world for (his outstanding qualities stated in this Book). And, certainly, in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of the righteous.
[As-Saaliheen = The righteous ones = Those who perfect their personalities = Increase human potential = Who set things right = They help others = Create balance in the society = Fulfill others’ needs. 16:120-122]
2:131 When his Lord said to him, “Submit (your will) to Me!”, He said, “I submit to the Lord of the Worlds.”
2:132 This very legacy Abraham left to his children, and so did Jacob, saying, “O My children! Indeed, God has chosen for you the Way of Life. Therefore, let not death overtake you except that you are Muslimoon (Submitters).”
[Deen = The Divinely Prescribed System of Life = Al-Islam. It has more to do with the collective life of humans and the science of sociology. It concerns itself with people living in this world collectively in peace according to a Code of permanent values that ensures success in both lives. Religion (Mazhab) is more of a generic term signifying a creed involving certain rites and rituals and seeking individual salvation. Islam being a Collective System of Life is, in fact, a challenge to religion]

There is no confirmation from the Quran that Abraham gave us the ritualised physical namaz, but was commanded to follow Allah alone, and establish His laws on earth as they are in heaven.

22:18 Do you not see that whoever is in the heavens and on earth, the sun and the moon, the stars and the mountains, the trees, the animals, and a great many of human beings adore God? And there are a great many human beings who make themselves worthy of Requital. And those whom the God shall disgrace, none can raise to honor. For, God works according to His Laws.
22:19 There are two contrary kinds of men (in the world) who contend about their Sustainer (one in Truth, the other in falsehood). Those who are bent upon denying the Truth will have garments of flames they cut out for themselves, and they will cause burning despair to be poured on their top priorities. [104:6-7]

Everything bows down to Allah, this is not physical prostrations but keeping within the bounds of their natures, for example light travels in straight lines but bends when acted upon by a gravitational force. Similarly, we should obey Allah exclusively and we deviate when outside influences such as culture and traditions become more important (No instructions in Quran for namaz, none in hadith and the best we are told is that they were passed down through 4000 years from Abraham).

When we have all religions treating prayer as a means to be subservient to a “kingly” God and ignoring the way of life He has ordained, the DEEN; when the prayers that are performed do not benefit Allah and they are not achieving the purpose that those who do them give as justification, then what do we do them for?

A compromise situation:-

We all must stand before Allah on Judgement Day and I do not feel that doing namaz is going to sway this judgement one way or the other if you are sincere in doing all the other life enhancing principles of the Quran. It is not like Shirk or other “major” sins that are unforgiveable. If you feel that you need to express your devotion by doing this then you have freedom to do so. Personally, I feel that this form of worship creates the wrong mindset in people so I do not submit this way. Islam practiced by the Muslims turned into a religion because the rituals became more important than the principles. Seeking to establish a just social and economic system at the personal and society level is much more important; as long as you do this then Allah’s Mercy and Compassion may see into your intentions and excuse any indiscretions.
Salam
Brother Jawaid

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