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Re: SAUM and "PILLARS"
By:Damon
Date: Wednesday, 23 September 2009, 10:23 pm
In Response To: SAUM and "PILLARS" (Dr. Shabbir)

Dear Brothers and Sisters, SA,

Dear Sister UmeAimon, I NEVER get tired of reading your posts and input. Yours is such a rational and intellectually sound mind. Thank You for yet another brilliant post.

Dear Dr. Uncle Shabbir. BINGO :-) on what you pointed out concerning the allegorical usage of "WAKULOO WASHRABOO". This is one of the things I carefully studied when I did my own research and studies of the Saum and Ramadan issue over the last year or so. Please carefully study Surah 2, ayat 187 and keep in mind the following two things...

ONE: The CONTEXT of this verse is concerning relations between a man and his wife during the "Nights" of As-Siyyam.

TWO: This verse "BEGINS" and "ENDS" talking about husband and wife relations during the nights of As-Siyyam. Food and drinking do not fit in the context of this verse. Also, verses of The Quran do not begin with one subject, switches to a different subject in the middle of the verse and then switches back to the original subject at the end of the verse. To believe that this verse ( 2:187 ) does just this would make it the only verse of The Quran to do so.

We should take note of the CONTEXT of 2:187 and RE-READ it with the well known and well established allegorical use of "Wakuloo Washraboo" to meaning "Enjoy and Savour" and then this verse will make a whole lot more sense.

Brothers and Sisters this is just the tip of the iceberg.

Peace Be with You All,
Your Brother Damon.

Messages In This Thread

Objections on “HAQIQAT-E- SOAM”
Zubair Hussain -- Wednesday, 16 September 2009, 4:39 pm
Re: Objections on “HAQIQAT-E- SOAM”
shahalam -- Thursday, 17 September 2009, 5:02 am
Re: Objections on / Your location?
shabbeer ahmad shiakh -- Monday, 29 August 2016, 3:09 pm
Objections on “HAQIQAT-E- SOAM”
Saadia Khan, Norway -- Monday, 29 August 2016, 8:01 pm
Re: Objections on “HAQIQAT-E- SOAM”
UmeAimon -- Thursday, 17 September 2009, 9:00 am
Edited: More R&R Needed.
Dr. Shabbir -- Thursday, 17 September 2009, 1:23 pm
Re: Objections on “HAQIQAT-E- SOAM”
Mehnaz -- Thursday, 17 September 2009, 2:46 pm
!!!*** PBUH (Peace be upon him) ***!!!
Dr. Shabbir -- Thursday, 17 September 2009, 2:59 pm
Re: Objections on “HAQIQAT-E- SOAM”
Mubashir -- Friday, 18 September 2009, 9:33 pm
Re: Objections on “HAQIQAT-E- SOAM”
Damon -- Saturday, 19 September 2009, 12:16 am
Re: Objections on “HAQIQAT-E- SOAM”
Umar -- Friday, 18 September 2009, 11:11 am
Re: Objections on “HAQIQAT-E- SOAM”
Dr. Shabbir -- Friday, 18 September 2009, 11:58 am
Re: Objections on “HAQIQAT-E- SOAM”
Zubair Hussain -- Friday, 18 September 2009, 5:02 pm
Re: Objections on “HAQIQAT-E- SOAM”
Syed Habib -- Friday, 18 September 2009, 5:32 pm
Re: Objections on “HAQIQAT-E- SOAM”
Dr. Shabbir -- Friday, 18 September 2009, 8:51 pm
Re: Objections on “HAQIQAT-E- SOAM”
Damon -- Saturday, 19 September 2009, 12:28 am
Re: Objections on “HAQIQAT-E- SOAM”
Syed Habib -- Saturday, 19 September 2009, 5:25 pm
Re: Objections on “HAQIQAT-E- SOAM”
Damon -- Saturday, 19 September 2009, 8:36 pm
Re: Br. Habib's Objections on “HAQIQAT-E- SOAM
Zubair -- Sunday, 20 September 2009, 2:08 am
Re: Objections on “HAQIQAT-E- SOAM”
Syed Habib -- Saturday, 19 September 2009, 9:34 pm
Re: Objections on “HAQIQAT-E- SOAM”
Umar -- Sunday, 20 September 2009, 1:56 pm
Re: Objections on “HAQIQAT-E- SOAM”
Jawaid Ahmed -- Thursday, 17 September 2009, 3:13 pm
Re: Objections on “HAQIQAT-E- SOAM”
Sidqi -- Thursday, 17 September 2009, 5:48 pm
First "Namaz" now "Roza" :)
anwer -- Friday, 18 September 2009, 12:08 am
Re: First "Namaz" now "Roza" :)
Badar -- Friday, 18 September 2009, 4:08 pm
Re: Objections on “HAQIQAT-E- SOAM”
Damon -- Friday, 18 September 2009, 12:10 am
Re: Objections on “HAQIQAT-E- SOAM”
Mubashir -- Friday, 18 September 2009, 9:46 pm
Re: Objections on “HAQIQAT-E- SOAM”
Anwer Suri -- Thursday, 24 September 2009, 2:25 pm
Re: Objections on “HAQIQAT-E- SOAM”
Razi -- Saturday, 26 September 2009, 9:02 am
Re: Objections on “HAQIQAT-E- SOAM”
UmeAimon -- Saturday, 26 September 2009, 3:21 pm
Re: Objections on “HAQIQAT-E- SOAM”
Umar -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, 6:37 am
Answer: "Imam" Maalik's MUWATTA
Dr. Shabbir -- Saturday, 26 September 2009, 3:42 pm
God Almighty Himself Answers Your Questions
Zubair Hussain -- Friday, 18 September 2009, 5:13 pm
Re: God Almighty Himself Answers Your Questions
Sidqi -- Friday, 18 September 2009, 6:32 pm
Re: God Almighty Himself Answers Your Questions
Mubashir -- Friday, 18 September 2009, 9:54 pm
Re: God Almighty Himself Answers Your Questions
Najamunnisa -- Saturday, 19 September 2009, 1:10 am
Re: God Almighty Himself Answers Your Questions
shahalam -- Saturday, 19 September 2009, 5:38 am
Re: God Almighty Himself Answers Your Questions
Zubair -- Saturday, 19 September 2009, 3:11 am
Re: God Almighty Himself Answers Your Questions
Umar -- Sunday, 20 September 2009, 6:07 pm
Qamar Zaman, Aidid Safar, Saim Bakar
Dr. Shabbir -- Sunday, 20 September 2009, 8:04 pm
Qamar Zaman, Aidid Safar, Saim Bakar
Mona mir -- Sunday, 20 September 2009, 9:23 pm
Qamar Zaman, Aidid Safar, Saim Bakar
Dr. Shabbir -- Monday, 21 September 2009, 9:59 am
Qamar Zaman, Aidid Safar, Saim Bakar
Umar -- Monday, 21 September 2009, 12:38 pm
Qamar Zaman, Aidid Safar, Saim Bakar
Muhammad Rafi -- Monday, 21 September 2009, 6:11 am
Qamar Zaman, Aidid Safar, Saim Bakar
Dr. Shabbir -- Monday, 21 September 2009, 10:18 am
Qamar Zaman, Aidid Safar, Saim Bakar
Zubair -- Monday, 21 September 2009, 3:40 pm
Salutes to Brother Zubair!
Dr. Shabbir -- Monday, 21 September 2009, 5:03 pm
Re: Salutes to Brother Zubair!
Zubair -- Monday, 21 September 2009, 8:02 pm
Qamar Zaman, Aidid Safar, Saim Bakar
Anwer Suri -- Thursday, 24 September 2009, 2:47 pm
Qamar Zaman, Aidid Safar, Saim Bakar
Mubashir -- Thursday, 24 September 2009, 5:27 pm
Re: God Almighty Himself Answers Your Questions
UmeAimon -- Monday, 21 September 2009, 8:11 am
Salutes to all Sisters & Brothers!
Dr. Shabbir -- Saturday, 19 September 2009, 11:40 am
Re: God Almighty Himself Answers Your Questions
Jawaid Ahmed -- Monday, 21 September 2009, 12:27 pm
Can we learn restraint & build character in jail?
Zubair -- Monday, 21 September 2009, 5:33 pm
Re: Return to Balances
Sidqi -- Monday, 21 September 2009, 9:21 pm
Re: Return to Balances
Moderators -- Tuesday, 22 September 2009, 11:11 am
Re: Return to Balances
Jawaid Ahmed -- Wednesday, 23 September 2009, 8:15 am
Re: Why Salat actions are not mentioned.
Sidqi -- Wednesday, 23 September 2009, 6:10 pm
Re: Why Salat actions are not mentioned.
Jawaid Ahmed -- Thursday, 24 September 2009, 9:25 am
Re: Why Salat actions are not mentioned.
Sidqi -- Thursday, 24 September 2009, 5:41 pm
Re: Why Salat actions are not mentioned.
Jawaid Ahmed -- Friday, 25 September 2009, 8:39 am
Re: Why Salat actions are not mentioned.
Dr. Shabbir -- Friday, 25 September 2009, 11:26 am
Re: Why Salat actions are not mentioned.
Sidqi -- Friday, 25 September 2009, 11:59 pm
Re: Why Salat actions are not mentioned.
UmeAimon -- Saturday, 26 September 2009, 3:19 pm
Re: Why Salat actions are not mentioned.
Jawaid Ahmed -- Monday, 28 September 2009, 12:17 pm
Re: Can we learn restraint & build character in ja
Sidqi -- Monday, 21 September 2009, 9:50 pm
Re: Can we learn restraint & build character in ja
Muhammad Rafi -- Tuesday, 22 September 2009, 7:20 am
Re: Can we learn restraint & build character in ja
Dr. Shabbir -- Tuesday, 22 September 2009, 11:18 am
Re: Can we learn restraint & build character in ja
UmeAimon -- Wednesday, 23 September 2009, 7:50 am
SAUM and "PILLARS"
Dr. Shabbir -- Wednesday, 23 September 2009, 4:19 pm
Re: SAUM and "PILLARS"
Damon -- Wednesday, 23 September 2009, 10:23 pm
Re: SAUM and "PILLARS"
UmeAimon -- Friday, 25 September 2009, 9:35 am
Re: SAUM and "PILLARS"
Dr. Shabbir -- Friday, 25 September 2009, 11:38 am
Re: SAUM and "PILLARS"
UmeAimon -- Friday, 25 September 2009, 6:38 pm
Re: SAUM and "PILLARS"
Jawaid Ahmed -- Monday, 28 September 2009, 12:25 pm
Re: Can we learn restraint & build character in ja
Mohammed Nauman ur Rehman -- Wednesday, 23 September 2009, 7:24 pm
Re: Can we learn restraint & build character in ja
Mohammed Nauman ur Rehman -- Wednesday, 23 September 2009, 7:35 pm
Re: Can we learn restraint & build character in ja
UmeAimon -- Friday, 25 September 2009, 9:51 am
Re: Can we learn restraint & build character in ja
Jawaid Ahmed -- Wednesday, 23 September 2009, 8:34 am
Re: Can we learn restraint & build character in ja
Dr. Shabbir -- Friday, 25 September 2009, 11:48 am
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Dr. Shabbir -- Friday, 18 September 2009, 11:15 am
Re: Contact info: drqamar@aastana.com
UmeAimon -- Monday, 21 September 2009, 7:58 am
Re: Contact info: drqamar@aastana.com
Jawaid Ahmed -- Monday, 21 September 2009, 11:57 am
Re: Contact info: drqamar@aastana.com
Amjad Ali -- Wednesday, 12 May 2010, 8:36 am