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Re: Why Islam?
By:Jawaid Ahmed
Date: Wednesday, 16 September 2009, 10:10 am
In Response To: Why Islam? (Zakir Naik)

Hijab, FROM THE QURAN

Studying the Quran reveals some important issues about the “head” covering which indoctrination and upbringing are ignoring. My intention is not to offend or lead you off the straight path but to show you where the straight path is and how to get back onto it; to do “taubah”, genuine repentance, and put yourselves right. My sword for directing you is, as always, the Quran and reason, never blind faith.

Surah 6 verses 147-150
6:147 If they accuse you of falsehood (O Prophet), tell them, “Your Lord is the Lord of Infinite Mercy, but His Requital will not be averted from the guilty.”
6:148 Those who associate others with God will say, “Had God willed, we would not have practiced idolatry, nor would our ancestors, nor would we have prohibited anything.” So did their ancestors argue falsely until they tasted Our Requital. Say, “Do you have any proven knowledge that you can present (that the human being is created without free will 18:29, 76:3, 90:10)? Nay, you follow nothing but conjecture and you only run after guess-work.”
6:149 Say, "The most Powerful Reasoning, the Final Evidence belongs to God. If He willed, He could have made all of you innately guided (like other creation who spontaneously follow Divine Laws 16:49, 41:11.)”
6:150 Say, “Come, bring forward your witnesses who can bear witness that God forbade all this. And if they bear witness falsely, do not bear witness with them. You shall not follow the opinions of those who deny Our revelations, nor of those who do not believe in the life to come, and deem others equal with their Lord. [8:53],

Surah 3 verse 64
3:64 Say, “O People of the Book! Let us come to a mutual agreement, that we shall serve none but God. That neither shall we ascribe divinity to anyone beside Him, nor shall we take others (from among ourselves) for our lords beside God.” And if they turn away, then say, “Bear witness that it is we who have surrendered ourselves unto Him.”

The Quran uses the word Hijab or Hijabun in several places:-

Surah 7 verse 46
7:46 Between the people of Paradise and Hell there will be a veil (hijabun). On the Heights there will be people with insight who will recognize others by their looks. They will greet those who, in their estimate, are worthy of entering the Garden, with “Peace!” [2:143, 4:41, 56:10-11]
[A barrier of distinction will exist between the heavenly and the Hellish societies. On the heights of wisdom and knowledge will be some sincere leaders. They will recognize the strengths and the weaknesses of communities. Striving for peace and security, they will show the way to establish the right system to people who will be craving for it]
Surah 17 verses 45-48
17:45 When you recite the Qur’an, We put an invisible veil (hijabun)between you and those who disbelieve in the Hereafter. [17:41. Disbelievers in the eternal life remain preoccupied with the glitter of this world, a mental barrier to understanding]
17:46 And We (Our Laws) place shields over their hearts and minds to prevent them from grasping it, and cause deafness in their ears. Their minds, hearts, and ears act impermeable when you mention your Lord in the Qur’an; Him alone, they turn their backs in disgust. [They wish to hear about other deities and false ‘authorities’]

As you can see the word Hijab, normally understood as veil, has the meaning of covering or screening which hides something from your direct view and is not a proper name for a head or face covering. I repeat, a Hijab is not a proper noun for a head covering as explained by the “light” of the Glorious Quran. Nowhere in the Quran is the term hijab used as a formal covering for the head but only used when this general screening is meant.
Now let’s see where the problems arise in the indoctrinated minds of the “faithful” (indoctrination makes you see things that are not there because you have been told to believe it!) :-

Surah 24 verses 30-31
24:30 Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty: that will make for greater purity for them: And Allah is well acquainted with all that they do.
24:31 And tell the believing women to lower their gaze and be modest, and to display their adornment only that which is apparent, and to draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband's fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or the slaves whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex; and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O you Believers! Turn you all together towards Allah, that you may attain Bliss. …

Here the Arabic word “Khimaar” is translated as veils and are to be drawn over their “juyoob” which means chests. The Arabic word “khimaar” actually means a covering; a dress is a khimaar, a table cloth is a khimaar as is a blanket. Intoxicants like alcohol are termed khimaroona, that which clouds the mind (in the same way that indoctrination and upbringing turns thinking human beings into mindless sheep, intellect is covered with ignorance). In the modern terminology the “khimaar” has come to mean a scarf used for covering the head and chest. According to the scholars a believing woman should cover her head, meaning her hair, and only show her hands and face, although some even say to cover these as well. Nowhere in the Quran is the words head, “raas”, or hair, “shar”, mentioned when modesty of dress is called for. It is quite clear what the Quran means so why are scholars adding to the verse by saying head and hands? The answer can be found by recalling a recent discussion on an “Islamic” television programme which had an Arabic speaking lady read out and explain that the Quran does not say anywhere that a believing woman should cover her head or face but this is all according to the way of dress ordained by the Prophet in the hadith. The next caller was a man from Glasgow who read out in English the above verse as follows: - “And to draw over their chests, faces, heads, hands, and only show their feet”. The Arabic verse does not mention the words face, hands or feet and if you can find them there then you must be a Sufi mystic or the twelfth Shia Imam come back to re-reveal the Quran! The man was in fact reading from a translation that had in brackets (but some translations do not even have the extra words in brackets) the additional words mentioned here and shows what the translator wanted you to understand from this verse and not the true meaning which is clear and straightforward. For example the “nu-trans” translation on a website I found has the following:-

Surah 24 verses 30-31
Tell the believing men to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts, etc.). That is purer for them. Verily, Allah is All-Aware of what they do.
And tell the believing women to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts, etc.) and not to show off their adornment except only that which is apparent (like palms of hands or one eye or both eyes for necessity to see the way, or outer dress like veil, gloves, head-cover, apron, etc.), and to draw their veils all over Juyubihinna (i.e. their bodies, faces, necks and bosoms, etc.) and not to reveal their adornment except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband's fathers, their sons, their husband's sons, their brothers or their brother's sons, or their sister's sons, or their (Muslim) women (i.e. their sisters in Islam), or the (female) slaves whom their right hands possess, or old male servants who lack vigour, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex. And let them not stamp their feet so as to reveal what they hide of their adornment. And all of you beg Allah to forgive you all, O believers, that you may be successful.

If this is not in your translation then congratulations to the honesty of the translator but some “modern” translations are increasingly going towards extremes like this, influenced by those who want to lock themselves in a time period created by the minds of their ancestors and nothing what so ever to do with the Word of Allah or the true way of life practised by the Prophet and his followers. I have highlighted the words that the “author” of the above translation wants to make you believe it means ( in some cases a translation needs a little re-working of the pure Arabic words in order to show the proper understanding, but not in this case). There is clearly no reason to add to the Words of Allah except to falsify their meaning.
According to the hadith the Prophet advocated all of the additional requirements of dress for the early Muslim women which either suggests that the Prophet and first Muslims did not understand the Quran or that later hadith authors made it up. No person can say that the Prophet did not understand the Quran so the only reason for saying that he advocated a head covering is to deceive the Muslim masses by making up something he did not say or do. It is a known fact that is not revealed by the Bukharians that women are not allowed to wear a face veil when performing Hajj so why do a small minority advocate it for their women folk (as well as children) at other times?
What reasons are there for covering the head and face? No psychologist or intelligent person will tell you that a woman’s hair is overly attractive to a man and that is why Allah forbade the covering of only those things which are. The usual translation of veil infers a head covering but the verse is clear in saying that it should cover the chest of women and this eliminates a provocative dress. If women had been wearing veils on their heads and faces and were walking around with their chests open in the Arab society at the time of the Prophet then the Quran is only revealing that the covering of the face is not a modest form of dress if your chest is uncovered. “Bring your coverings over your chests” is showing the correct form of dress for believing women. I have seen many women who wear a Hijab having low cut necklines for their dresses which is completely opposite to what the Quran is teaching. I know you can find black sheep in every society so that I cannot treat these women as representative of the majority of those who wear head coverings, but I am just trying to make a point about the gross lack of understanding of the very book that Allah has revealed to us. We do not read it with true meaning and have numerous “scholars” adding to the words with their own beliefs which they claim comes from the Prophet. I for one would rather put my trust in the pure Words of Allah and leave my Rabb to judge me according to what He has revealed and not what Abu Hanafi etc. told me to believe.
Further, believing men are asked to lower their gaze so why should they do so if the face is covered by a veil as advocated by some “scholars”? Think about it? Staring at a veiled face is pointless but if the face is uncovered then a man should act modestly by not staring or “ogling” at a women, whatever her religious beliefs. This further proves that the Quran does not advocate the covering of the face or the head.

Surah 48 verse 29.
48:29 Muhammad is God’s Messenger. And those who are with him are stern towards the rejecters of Truth, and full of compassion towards one another. You can see them bowing (to Commands), adoring (Him), as they seek God’s Bounty and Acceptance. Their signs (of belief) are on their faces, the effects of adoration. Such is their likeness in the Torah and their likeness in the Gospel. They are like a seed that brings forth its shoot, and then He strengthens it, so that it grows stout, and then stands firm on its stem, delighting those who have sown it. (Thus the believers grow in strength,) so that through them He might confound with rage the rejecters. But unto those who may yet attain belief and benefit others, God promises preservation of their ‘selves’ and an immense reward.
[Athar-is-sujood is frequently mistranslated as the physical mark on the forehead resulting from regular prostration. But Wajh = Countenance = Whole being = Face, and not forehead. In addition, the verses of the Bible that the Qur’an is referring to, make no mention of any physical marks on the foreheads or faces. Sujood = Adoration = Prostrations = Complete submission. ‘Signs on their faces’ = Reflection of Faith in the believer’s mannerism. Torah and Gospel: Numbers 16:22. Mark 4: 27-28 - Mathew 13:3-9]

The above verse has the believers having “marks of prostration” on their faces. It does not just refer to men but to all believers, male and female. How can you observe the so-called marks on a woman’s head (brow?) if her face is covered by a veil? It is not possible so the Quran does not contradict this verse anywhere else in its pages by advocating the wearing of a Nikab. Let us see what else the Quran has to say.

Surah 30 verse 22. And among His Signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the variations in your languages and your colours: verily in that are Signs for those who know.
Surah 10 verse 45. One day He will gather them together: (It will be) as if they had tarried but an hour of a day: they will recognise each other: assuredly those will be lost who denied the meeting with Allah and refused to receive true guidance.

Allah has created differences in language and colour. If women are human beings, and I assume they are, then what right have men to say women should cover up so that they cannot be recognised? How are we going to recognise a veiled woman in Paradise? (No doubt the Mullahs have an answer to this from the hadith which usually involves nudity and sexual depravity).
Do not be mistaken by my rejection of Hijab and Nikab. I am not advocating immoral dress for anyone. Some westerners or liberals may argue that why should it matter if a woman is walking around semi naked in front of men? Men exploit women so it is up to men to rectify any deficiencies in their characters, which I agree with up to a point. Those of this viewpoint fail to see that women are not the playthings of men but require their respect. Women who wear provocative clothes are just playing into the hands of immoral men who like to treat women as second class citizens, only good for one thing. Women who cover up can be judged on their character and personalities and not on physical attributes. However, the dress should be according to the Quran and not manmade rulings!
The best dress for mankind is written in the Quran, another surprise for those who only follow hadith, but I am trying to bring you closer to this Book so you have to bear with me for a while longer:-

Surah 7 verses 26-29
7:26 O Children of Adam! We have provided you with garments to cover your bodies as well as to adorn you. The best garment for you to wear, in addition, is good conduct. (Your character decorates you inside out.) These are the verses of God that they must take to heart.
7:27 O Children of Adam! Let not your selfish desire deceive you as it deceived your ancestors, caused them to lose their Paradise, and exposed their imperfections. A host of selfish and rebellious desires lurk within you. You can't even see them but these Satans see you and befriend those who do not believe.
7:28 (As an example) when people commit an indecency they say, "We found our forefathers doing it and God has enjoined it upon us." (Made it natural for us). Say (O Prophet), "God never enjoins indecency. Do you attribute to God that of which you have no knowledge?"
7:29 Say (O Messenger), "My Lord enjoins justice and moderation and to stand devoted to Him alone in complete obedience. Call unto Him, sincere in your Faith in Him alone. He it is Who brought you into being in the first place, and to Him you will return.” (And this is how you can regain your lost Paradise in both worlds.)

Make your devotion sincere to Him alone and not to the man made, shameful and contradictory hadith that beguile and mislead the gullible and weak minded. Righteousness is the best adornment, backed up by strong faith in Allah and the Quranic system He has revealed for us and do not make a mockery of this by saying “we only do this because we found our ancestors doing it”!
The Quran tells us the reason for women dressing modestly is to stop weak minded men from “chasing” them.

Surah 33 Verse 59
"O Prophet! Tell your wives and daughters and the believing women, that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when outside): so that they should be known (as such) and not molested".

How many Nuns (Christian women who “marry” Christ and wear total body cover copied by our Muslim women) get teased when they walk about in society? Very few, if any, are “wolf whistled” at or treated with disrespect because most men know who they are and act respectably towards them. Exactly the same should happen to modestly dressed believing women who show their true character and are not “easy targets” for immoral men. Even “normal” men in some so-called Muslim countries think that it is shameful for any woman to walk outside the home and mistreat them when they do so! Again, these are a very small minority but they do have a large impact on our Sisters and Mothers. The above verse also shows us how the Quran works; it tells Muslims how to act and behave and then gives you the wisdom behind the teaching, “wear respectable clothing” in order “not to be molested” The wisdom may not be apparent in a particular verse but because the Quran repeats its many teachings it may be found elsewhere. Societies that are “sexualised” become more and more depraved and the women more and more mistreated. The West has women’s rights but have the highest rates of abuse and rape of women in the world. The “sex urge” has been described as a biological function but this is not so, it is psychological. When you “de-sex” a society women are safer; they are less likely to be abused by men and this psychological aspect of sex is reflected in the Quran where it states that should someone not be able to marry then they should keep “chaste”;-
Surah 24 verse 33
Let those who are unable to marry keep themselves chaste, until Allah gives them means out of His grace.

If the urge was biological then we cannot deny it and it must be satisfied, similar to the need to eat when we are hungry and this is why the Quran allows us to eat forbidden foods at times of starvation:-

Surah 6 verses 118-119 118 So eat of which Allah’s name has been pronounced, if you have faith in His signs. 119 Why should you not eat of (meats) on which Allah’s name has been pronounced, when He has explained to you in detail what is forbidden to you - except under compulsion of necessity?

The fact that the Quran does not state we can indulge our sexual appetites due to need means it is something that we must control and not be misled by it. Hence the need to keep women in a condition that men are not going to be stimulated every time they see them and that means appropriate clothing as prescribed by the Quran (not the weak minded men).
The Quran is clear that covering your head while your chest is open to public view is not modest dress. It is self evident what the Quran advocates, protection of women against men but not the total covering of their bodies which is only imposed on them by men. If Allah had wanted women to cover their heads He would have said so, but He only said “chest”. The requirement for “head” covering is not mentioned anywhere in the Quran so true believing women need not do so. Muslims are in fact acting in the same way as those of other religions by denying or adding to the Divine words of Allah but they should remove themselves from their Pavlovian upbringing and see the truth.
Surah 24 verse 31 also states that believing women should not “strike their feet in order to reveal their ornaments”. This is a bit naughty upon the translator since the word “zeenatahunna” is not referring to jewellery but to body parts. A woman who shakes her hips and bounces her chest while walking is not exhibiting modest or righteous behaviour so this is condemned in the Quran. Wearing loose fitting clothes with or without a coat or cloak does not allow the emphasising of a woman’s physical “attributes” and is showing society that she has true belief in Allah.

Surah 24 verse 60 it states:-
"Such elderly women as are past the prospect of marriage, there is no blame on them if they lay aside their (outer) garments, provided they make not wanton display of their beauty; but it is best for them to be modest; and Allah is One Who sees and knows all things".

Again, modest dress is only of use if you are modest yourself. Covering your head but then leering at every young man that passes you by is hypocrisy. Again and again it is modest dress that is advocated and not a “strait-jacket” of Hijab, Nikab or Burkha. The first requirement of Islam is to be morale, decent human being and then dress appropriately. Women have the veil imposed on them by men and this is proof that men do not trust themselves because they stare at other women! I have seen many men put their family members in purdah yet have jobs where they are in easy sight and contact with non believing women and are only too happy to interact with them. How can Muslim men meet non-Muslim women who are not veiled and treat them respectfully, but treat non-hijabi Muslim women with contempt? Again, it is those Mullahs declaring whatever they think is permissible from contradictory hadith, even though they are not allowed to so by the Quran which is the Word of Allah, and forbid what He has allowed. Women are not as physically strong as men and in general have more caring feelings which are exploited by men. Allah has made men and women equal yet the restrictions imposed on women above and beyond those advocated in the Quran are there to keep women from participating fully in society (no education and not being allowed to work out of the home are two other restrictions imposed on women in some backward “Muslim” societies).
The veil is a restriction that Allah has not given any such requirement for in the Quran but has more to do with local cultures. Different forms of dress are applicable depending on the environment. Arab men wear a head covering which is not deemed “Islamic” and men in other countries wear turbans with face coverings which are purely protective against the fierce heat of the sun in the deserts (e.g. the Taureg of North Africa). To restrict a woman’s outer dress to black, as is done by Shias and other sects is senseless and shows how narrow minded and backward the Muslim Ummah has become since the demise of the Quranic society established by our Prophet.
The wearing of these head coverings for men are not compulsory but some scholars advocate their “label” to wear a white “topi” (hat) (funny how men can “get out” of imposing a form of dress but women cannot!). This, again, has no Quranic justification and it is not how you dress but how you live your life that is a true criterion of righteousness. A person shall be judged by Allah on their deeds during their lifetime so this dress has no relevance for proper practicing Muslims. A Muslim shall stand out from the crowd by being honest, decent, law abiding and an example to all those around them. Pretence is known to Allah so a man with modest dress but “dirty” thoughts will still be punished. (Going to Friday prayers in the afternoon and then going to the local social club to chat with women is definitely not allowed, who do you think you are kidding?)
Further, it is also stated that Islam does not advocate the intermingling of men and women, particularly in a workplace or college. A long list from the hadith is produced and makes most members of the opposite sex “non-muhrams”, females are not allowed to go out without a close relative accompanying her! The list is similar to the one in Surah 24 verse 31 which only has Allah saying that women should not relax their dress code to non family members and has nothing to do with not allowing intermingling. The words of the Quran are taken out of context and made to say something else! Muslim women should stay in their homes and not be seen or heard (how lucky for us husbands if this latter was the case! My wife just hit me for that remark!). Woman were allowed in mixed company for many centuries until the true faith of the men faltered and then the men had restrictions put upon women in some countries. Women led full and active lives during the time of the Prophet and sometime later. They even participated in wars to help the injured so who would have done this if they were confined to the “barracks”? The Quran also mentions that men and women do wudhu prior to communal gatherings:-

Surah 5 verses 7-8
7 O you who believe! When you prepare for prayer, wash your faces, and your hands (and arms) to the elbows; Rub your heads (with water); and (wash) your feet to the ankles. If you are in a state of ceremonial impurity, bathe your whole body. But if you are ill, or on a journey, or one of you comes from offices of nature, or you have been in contact with women, and you find no water, then take for yourselves clean sand or earth, and rub therewith your faces and hands, Allah does not wish to place you in a difficulty, but to make you clean, and to complete his favour to you, that you may be grateful.
8 And call in remembrance the favour of Allah unto you, and His covenant, which He ratified with you, when you said: "We hear and we obey": And fear Allah, for Allah knows well the secrets of your hearts.

“O you who believe!” refers to both men and women so it is permissible for women to show their ankles, their arms up to their elbows and their heads. I have been informed that there is a hadith that agrees with the Quran: Ibn Omar said that during the times of the Prophet, men and women used to do Wudhu together, - Bukhari volume 1, Pg 169 Kitabil Wudhu. I have not found this in my copy and it seems that there are more than one “Sahih” collection attributed to Bukhari. What a shambles!
The Quran does advocate confinement of women to their homes but this is only for obscenity and abomination, as stated in:-

Surah 4 verse 15. If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, take the evidence of four (reliable) witnesses from amongst you against them; and if they testify, confine them to houses until death claims them, or Allah ordains for them some (other) way.

The confinement may be for life but Allah allows forgiveness if they genuinely repent and do not act improperly again. This confinement is also for men so do not think it is only for females.
The Quran does not say anywhere that intermingling is forbidden but scholars say otherwise. As stated above the Quran is telling believing women to dress appropriately when they go out and they have full freedom to go about anywhere they like. The clothes you wear generally shows your character so believing women should not be “bothered” by men if they dress appropriately. I have heard a scholar state that women may be attacked by men so should not mingle but is this the right answer to the problem? Again, it is men imposing their own views up half the population that has no Quranic grounds.

Surah 33 verses 60-61
Truly, if the Hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and those who stir up sedition in the City, do not stop, We shall certainly stir you up against them: Then will they not be able to stay in it as your neighbours for any length of time: They shall have a curse on them: whenever they are found, they shall be seized and slain (without mercy).

These verses follow on from the putting on of cloaks for believing women and so any man that “teases or molests” a woman is to be treated like a criminal. If any man who mistreats a woman knows that society will not tolerate such behaviour then he would be less likely to annoy any woman who is going about her normal activities. A “ruffian” hanging around a street corner, it is suggested, is more likely to tease a scantily clad woman than an Hijab wearing one, but surely we should not allow such thugs to hang around our streets in the first place. Also, I am asking you this, who attacks who? The men attack the women! It is the men that should be shackled behind a Hijab, or more appropriately the blinkers that you put over the eyes of donkeys. Why should a woman be prevented from working or going to mixed colleges just because she may be attacked by a man? You may talk to each other as long as you have the appropriate dress and both lowering your gaze and guarding your modesty, with the women covering their chests and lengthening their garments; a clear answer from the Quran so we should abide by Allah’s Judgement. Teaching good morality, right from wrong etc to our children will safe guard them from falling into the arms of any shameful person, and is better than enslaving them in false beliefs. There are always going to be men and women who fall down under each other’s influences and it is the height of hypocrisy to say that the Hijab will eliminate this; you need to educated the mind to stop the roving eye, not put the equivalent of the pirates black eye patch over both eyes! Chastity belts might help, but that is another twenty page topic that I am not going to write about here!
And what about the “fashionable” Hijab wearing females running around on the streets, have you seen them? They are usually unmarried and have heavy makeup to look attractive; to whom? They sometimes have low cut dresses where their cleavage can clearly be seen; if you lower your gaze then this results in a hemispherical display that under the circumstances it should have been better to look up, not down! The “best” of them all are those who wear short shirts and tight fitting trousers, usually jeans, so that every wiggle of their hips can be seen to hypnotise the Neanderthal males, equally in crutch tight jeans! The rituals that have become Islam today are not the character changing principles that are in the Quran and the results are all to see.

Surah 7 verses 31-33
31. O Children of Adam! Wear your beautiful apparel at every time and place of prayer: eat and drink: But waste not by excess, for Allah loves not the wasters.
32. Say: Who has forbidden the beautiful (gifts) of Allah, which He has produced for His servants, and the things, clean and pure, (which He has provided) for sustenance? Say: They are, in the life of this world, for those who believe, (and) purely for them on the Day of Judgment. Thus do We explain the revealed verses in detail for those who understand.
33. Say: the things that my Lord has indeed forbidden are: shameful deeds, whether open or secret; sins and trespasses against truth or reason; assigning of partners to Allah, for which He has given no authority; and saying things about Allah of which you have no knowledge.

Three verses that are overlooked or ignored by the “Hijabis”; the scholars who perpetuate falsehood in the name of Allah and the sheep who mummify themselves in Hijab and Nikab. “Wear your beautiful apparel at every time and place of prayer”! Does this mean only black? Thinking is not hard to do but it seems indoctrination clouds your judgement!
According to the majority scholars we have today, and in the past, women are not even allowed to go to the mosque, and if they do then they should be segregated. Why? The usual answer is because the men would be distracted! Then teach THEM self control! But this would be too much for the men, they are weak minded so it is better to keep temptation away, hey brothers? And if you want to know where segregation came from, because it is certainly not in the Quran, then go to any synagogue and see where the traditional “conservative” Jewess sits. The women sit either in a balcony or behind a partitioning curtain called a “mekhitzah”. They have the worst view of the proceedings and it is similar to women in the mosque where their view is either a wall with speakers to listen to the Imam directing the prayers or at the back where the view is the backsides of the men! I know some mosques have completely separate areas for women but these are usually an afterthought and do not have the full facilities the men have.
Now to satisfy the craving for those who put hadith ahead of the Quran.; How does Bukhari enlighten us about Hijab:-

Volume 1, Book 4, Number 148: Narrated 'Aisha: The wives of the Prophet used to go to Al-Manasi, a vast open place (near Baqia at Medina) to answer the call of nature at night. 'Umar used to say to the Prophet "Let your wives be veiled," but Allah's Apostle did not do so. One night Sauda bint Zam'a the wife of the Prophet went out at 'Isha' time and she was a tall lady. 'Umar addressed her and said, "I have recognized you, O Sauda." He said so, as he desired eagerly that the verses of Al-Hijab (the observing of veils by the Muslim women) may be revealed. So Allah revealed the verses of "Al-Hijab" (A complete body cover excluding the eyes).

The pristine Word of Allah reduced to a tale of urination and defecation by “sahih” Bukhari! Why did Omar not lower his gaze and guard his modesty instead of embarrassing one of the Prophets (apparent) wives? Why did Omar and the Prophet not read the Quran concerning where the Hijab should cover? The hadith has Omar wishing for the Hijab verses to be revealed which is again utter nonsense because the Quran was revealed according to the direction of Allah and not by any man, whoever he may be.

Then again, even Bukhari could not get it right when the Hijab verse was revealed.

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 130: Narrated 'Ayesha: Whenever the Prophet intended to proceed on a journey, he used to draw lots amongst his wives and would take the one upon whom the lot fell. Once, before setting out for Jihad, he drew lots amongst us and the lot came to me; so I went with the Prophet; and that happened after the revelation of the Verse Hijab (i.e. veiling).

Or was it the following:-

Volume 7, Book 65, Number 375: Narrated Anas:
I know (about) the Hijab (the order of veiling of women) more than anybody else. Ubai bin Ka'b used to ask me about it. Allah's Apostle became the bridegroom of Zainab bint Jahsh whom he married at Medina. After the sun had risen high in the sky, the Prophet invited the people to a meal. Allah's Apostle remained sitting and some people remained sitting with him after the other guests had left. Then Allah's Apostle got up and went away, and I too, followed him till he reached the door of 'Aisha's room. Then he thought that the people must have left the place by then, so he returned and I also returned with him. Behold, the people were still sitting at their places. So he went back again for the second time, and I went along with him too. When we reached the door of 'Aisha's room, he returned and I also returned with him to see that the people had left. Thereupon the Prophet hung a curtain between me and him and the Verse regarding the order for (veiling of women) Hijab was revealed.

Or was it the following, please make your mind up which one was “truthful”, for Bukhari does not know and I do not care, all are false and condemned to the fires of hell along with those who want to study this nonsense instead of the Quran:-

Volume 9, Book 93, Number 517: Narrated Anas bin Malik:
The Verse of Al-Hijab (veiling of women) was revealed in connection with Zainab bint Jahsh. (On the day of her marriage with him) the Prophet gave a wedding banquet with bread and meat; and she used to boast before other wives of the Prophet and used to say, "Allah married me (to the Prophet in the Heavens."

This is where woman cannot even go out without a Muhram, whether she is veiled or not!

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 250: Narrated Ibn Abbas: That he heard the Prophet saying, "It is not permissible for a man to be alone with a woman, and no lady should travel except with a Muhram (i.e. her husband or a person whom she cannot marry in any case for ever; e.g. her father, brother, etc.)." Then a man got up and said, "O Allah's Apostle! I have enlisted in the army for such-and-such Ghazwa and my wife is proceeding for Hajj." Allah's Apostle said, "Go, and perform the Hajj with your wife."

The Quran only states that a woman must wear appropriate clothing when she is not in the presence of her close family etc, and this has been interpolated into by saying she is not allowed to be in the presence of someone who is not a Muhram! Bida, bida, bida!
Where does the veiling of women come from if not the Quran?
Let there be light!-

The Bible, 1 Corinthians, Chapter 11:-
11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.
11:2 Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you.
11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
11:4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.
11:5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
11:6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.
11:7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.
11:8 For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man.
11:9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.
11:10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.
11:11 Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.
11:12 For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God.
11:13 Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered?
11:14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
11:15 But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.
11:16 But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.
11:17 Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse.
11:18 For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
11:19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.

There was “contention” over women wearing head coverings and the Pauline doctrine of Christianity dominated over the true teachings of Jesus in the same way as the hadith are covering the true teachings of the Quran. We are better Bible followers than the Christians because we are encasing our women in head coverings whilst they are not bothering to do so nowadays (the Catholics still have scarves for women and some others still insists on women at least wearing a hat in church but this is the exception rather than the rule). Jews also adhere to the head covering of some of their women folk in synagogues and these traditions of the adulterated religions of Christianity and Judaism have influenced the hadith authors and covered the true beliefs and practices of Islam that we Muslims should be following.
Scholarly Jews know full well that the head covering had its roots in the traditions of that part of that world where they lived as a sign of respect, not ordained by God but ordained by “culture”. The Mesopotamian tradition of men in high castes wearing head coverings were included by the priests of the First Temple (prior to its destruction in 586 B.C.E.) wearing turbans or mitres. Some Hasidic Jews wear a fur covered round hat called a shtreimel. The most common head covering for Jews, however, is the white, round skullcap; Does this make you scratch your head and think what that could be, oh brother Muslim? When you do reach up to your red henna dyed hair you will find A JEWISH SKULLCAP ON YOUR HEAD! The skullcap, or kippah, is worn by some Jews throughout their waking days and by others only in the mosque, sorry synagogue. Wearing it is not prescribed in the Torah, just like it is not prescribed in the Quran, so there are no blessings, sawaab points, Mashallah, Mashallah, for wearing it.
Where it gets interesting for us is the issue of head dress for Jewish women. All the Jewish sages agreed that married women must cover their hair and in Biblical times it was a shocking violation of the rules of modesty for her not to do so. Nowadays, scarves and fashionable hats are used but the majority still insist on women covering their heads, while only some from the Reform movements ban the practice (some do not segregate the sexes and has this led to mass orgies in the synagogues? This is not true; grown up males can sometimes behave like adults!)
The Quranic Muslim is nowhere to be found and hadith are followed to keep women in their man made low place! At the time of Caliph Omar it was stated that a believing woman could travel from one end of the Islamic empire to the other end dressed in all her jewellery and she would not be touched. Those times have gone and so have the Rightly Guided men. We are to blame for subjugating women and it is up to us to free them to enable their full potentialities to be realised.
It is also stated that the clothing should not resemble that of the opposite sex, found in the hadith literature but where was this copied from, since it is not in the Quran? And on the second day Muslims adopted another Jewish custom-

Bible, Deuteronomy, chapter22
22:5 The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.

I am going to leave the Quran to have the last word on this Hijab topic, for it clearly explains that those who cover their eyes with a veil are kafirs, this applies to those who want to cover their heads as well;-

Surah 2 verses 6-18
As to those who reject Faith, it is the same to them whether you warn them or do not warn them; they will not believe.
Allah has set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing, and on their eyes is a veil; great is the penalty they (incur).
Of the people there are some who say: "We believe in Allah and the Last Day;" but they do not (really) believe.
Fain would they deceive Allah and those who believe, but they only deceive themselves, and realise (it) not!
In their hearts is a disease; and Allah has increased their disease: And grievous is the penalty they (incur), because they are false (to themselves).
When it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth," they say: "Why, we only Want to make peace!"
Of a surety, they are the ones who make mischief, but they realise (it) not.
When it is said to them: "Believe as the others believe:" They say: "Shall we believe as the fools believe?" Nay, of a surety they are the fools, but they do not know.
When they meet those who believe, they say: "We believe;" but when they are alone with their evil ones, they say: "We are really with you: We (were) only jesting."
Allah will throw back their mockery on them, and give them rope in their trespasses; so they will wander like blind ones (to and fro).
These are they who have bartered Guidance for error: But their traffic is profitless, and they have lost true direction,
Their similitude is that of a man who kindled a fire; when it lighted all around him, Allah took away their light and left them in utter darkness. So they could not see.
Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path).

And
Surah 6 verses 19-26
Say: "What thing is most weighty in evidence?" Say: "(Allah) is witness between me and you; This Quran has been revealed to me by inspiration, that I may warn you and all whom it reaches. Can you possibly bear witness that besides Allah there is another Allah." Say: "No! I cannot bear witness!" Say: "But in truth He is the one Allah, and I truly am innocent of (your blasphemy of) joining others with Him."
Those to whom We have given the Book know this as they know their own sons. Those who have lost their own souls refuse therefore to believe.
Who does more wrong than he who invents a lie against Allah or rejects His revelation? But y the wrong-doers never shall prosper.
One day shall We gather them all together: We shall say to those who ascribed partners (to Us): "Where are the partners whom you (invented and) talked about?" (Bukhari, Hanafi etc)
There will then be (left) no subterfuge for them but to say: "By Allah our Lord, we were not those who joined gods with Allah."
Behold how they lie against their own souls! But the (lie) which they invented will leave them in the lurch.
Of them there are some who (pretend to) listen to you; but We have thrown veils on their hearts, so they understand it not, and deafness in their ears; if they saw every one of the verses of revelation, not they will believe in them; in so much that when they come to you, they (but) dispute with you; the unbelievers say: "These are nothing but tales of the ancients."
Others they keep away from it, and themselves they keep away; but they only destroy their own souls, and they perceive it not.
If you could but see when they are confronted with the Fire! They will say: "Would that we were but sent back! Then would we not reject the revelation of our Lord, but would be amongst those who believe!"

How wonderful Allah describes humanity in the most beautiful way. The light of the Quran to Guide them but they walk in darkness because they do not read, understand and implement its teachings! All praise to Allah that the reference to people wearing veils are those who reject the revelation, the Kafirs, the unbelievers. Those who equate false teachings to the rightly guided Messenger of Allah, who ONLY used the Quran, have sealed their own hearts to its inspired wisdom and are too ignorant to see this and have to wait until Judgement Day to realise their mistake. I am giving you a chance to amend your ways before it is too late; do not let the miscreants who preach in the name of Islam lead you to the Hellfire that awaits them in the hereafter.

Surah 3 verses 118-119
118. O you who believe! Take not into your intimacy those outside your ranks (the hadith followers): They will not fail to corrupt you. They only desire your ruin: Rank hatred has already appeared from their mouths (they cannot turn away from their falsehood): What their hearts conceal is far worse. We have made plain to you the Revelation, if you have wisdom.
119. Ah! You are those who love them, but they love you not, though you believe in the whole of the Book. When they meet you, they say, "We believe": But when they are alone, they bite off the very tips of their fingers at you in their rage. Say: "Perish in you rage; Allah knows well all the secrets of the heart."

And Surah 2 verses 170-171 (repeated a number of times in my book but I like to use it)
170. When it is said to them: "Follow what Allah has revealed:" They say: "No! We shall follow the ways of our fathers." What! Even though their fathers were void of wisdom and guidance?
171. The parable of those who reject Faith is as if one were to shout like a goat-herd, to things that listen to nothing but calls and cries: Deaf, dumb, and blind, they are void of wisdom.

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