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Date: Thursday, 3 September 2009, 5:52 pm
In Response To: SUNNI 'MUTA' (MISYAR) (Muhammad Rafi)

It was that Shias believe in Mutah marriage. Now the Saudis want a piece of the pie as well??

They probably base their understanding on Bukhari's hadees and Chapter 4:24 of the Qur'an. Some translators have translated dowry as "wages" for joy which makes it worse. I have avoided those translations here but they can be read at www.islamawakened.com.

Here are some more translations of 4:24 by sensible people, those who understood the spirit of the Qur'an as a whole rather than in small chunks

4:34 (Yusuf Ali)

Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess: Thus hath Allah ordained (Prohibitions) against you: Except for these, all others are lawful, provided ye seek (them in marriage) with gifts from your property,- desiring chastity, not lust, seeing that ye derive benefit from them, give them their dowers (at least) as prescribed; but if, after a dower is prescribed, agree Mutually (to vary it), there is no blame on you, and Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.


You are forbidden to marry married women except your slave-girls. This is the decree of God. Besides these, it is lawful for you to marry other women if you pay their dower, maintain chastity and do not commit indecency. If you marry them for the appointed time you must pay their dowries. There is no harm if you reach an understanding among yourselves about the dowry, God is All-knowing and All-wise.


Also prohibited are the women who are already married, unless they flee their disbelieving husbands who are at war with you. These are GOD's commandments to you. All other categories are permitted for you in marriage, so long as you pay them their due dowries. You shall maintain your morality, by not committing adultery. Thus, whoever you like among them, you shall pay them the dowry decreed for them. You commit no error by mutually agreeing to any adjustments to the dowry. GOD is Omniscient, Most Wise


Also (forbidden are) women already married, except those (captives and slaves) whom your right hands possess. Thus has Allah ordained for you. All others are lawful, provided you seek (them in marriage) with Mahr (bridal money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage) from your property, desiring chastity, not committing illegal sexual intercourse, so with those of whom you have enjoyed sexual relations, give them their

Mahr as prescribed; but if after a Mahr is prescribed, you agree mutually (to give more), there is no sin on you. Surely, Allah is Ever AllKnowing, AllWise.


Also forbidden for you are married women, except those who have fallen in your hands as prisoners of war. This is the order of Allah relating to marriage prohibitions. All women other than these are lawful provided you
seek them in marriage with gifts from your property (dowry), desiring chastity and not lust. Give them their dowry as an obligation for the benefit you have received from your marriage relationship. However, there is no
blame on you if you change the agreement of dowry with mutual consent. Allah is the Knowledgeable, Wise.

Qur'an As it Explains itself (www.ourbeacon.com)

Also forbidden to you are women who are already married, except those women who have sought asylum with you against their disbelieving husbands at war with you (60:10). This is Allah's Ordinance binding upon you. All other categories are permitted for you in marriage, with mutual consent, as confirmed by giving her a generous marital gift or dowry. You shall seek them in honest wedlock and let marriage be a fortress of chastity for the husband and wife. You shall maintain morality and go not near adultery (17:32). You like to marry women for a better quality of life, so give them their portions as a duty. And there is nothing wrong in adjusting the sum with mutual agreement after the duty has been done. These Laws are given to you by Allah, the Knower, the Wise.

George Sale

Ye are also forbidden to take to wife free women who are married, except those women whom your right hands shall possess as slaves. This is ordained you from God. Whatever is beside this, is allowed you; that ye may with your substance provide wives for your selves, acting that which is right, and avoiding whoredom. And for the advantage which ye receive from them, give them their reward, according to what is ordained: But it shall be no crime in you to make any other agreement among your selves, after the ordinance shall be complied with; for God is knowing and wise


And [forbidden to you are] all married women other than those whom you rightfully possess [through wedlock]:

this is God's ordinance, binding upon you. But lawful to you are all [women] beyond these, for you to seek out, offering them of your possessions, taking them in honest wedlock, and not in fornication. And unto those with whom you desire to enjoy marriage, you shall give the dowers due to them; but you will incur no sin if, after [having agreed upon] this lawful due, you freely agree with one another upon anything [else]: behold, God is indeed all-knowing, wise.

As for those who choose to believe in Mutah, consider the following scenario:

Consider the following scenario:

- A married man from Pakistan is posted to Tehran for a year.
- Scours the Ads in the paper for women available for Mutah. Imagine women advertising? some claiming no previous experience (lying). Some virgins wanting top dollars (If this does not degrade women, I don't know what else does - and their men don't mind??).
- The have men negotiating terms of Mutah (as go-betweens)
- Taxi Drivers knowing and offering women for Mutah (now that is respectable!!)
- Some women with low "wage" have kids wanting to know who this new Daddy is and how long will he last?
- In the course of a year, stays with three different women
- Goes back to Pakistan.
- Two of the women get pregnant - Now, they are unable to reach the man with, therefore women are left behind raising kids from multiple Mutahs as single mother. Having no father figure around, we can well imagine what these kids will grow up to

Now if the above smells and sounds like prostitution, then ..........!!

If some men in Saudi have been so brain washed that they don't mind their women engaging in such practices, then it is a sad day for Islam.

Problem is at the end, we some will say, "Actions will be judged by intentions" but should those intentions not be in tune with Allah's pure Guidance?

Messages In This Thread

Muhammad Rafi -- Wednesday, 2 September 2009, 5:37 am
Abdul Rauf -- Thursday, 3 September 2009, 1:27 am
Mubashir -- Thursday, 3 September 2009, 5:52 pm
Muhammed Irtaza -- Saturday, 5 September 2009, 9:14 am
Ali Noor Atlanta -- Monday, 19 December 2011, 1:45 am
Irtaza, France -- Monday, 19 December 2011, 4:14 pm
Ali Noor Atlanta -- Monday, 19 December 2011, 8:44 pm
Laila_C -- Saturday, 17 December 2011, 6:14 am
Behroz Batliwalla, M.D., NY -- Saturday, 17 December 2011, 2:32 pm
Laila-C -- Tuesday, 20 December 2011, 3:24 am
Ali Noor Atlanta -- Monday, 19 December 2011, 11:29 pm