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Re: One creator in the beginning?
By:Navaid ANSARI
Date: Friday, 12 June 2009, 9:45 pm
In Response To: Re: One creator in the beginning? (Annas)

Salam,

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The question: “If it's possible to have ONE thing with no beginning, you're going to have to show us that it could ONLY be one.”
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It is NOT possible to have ONE THING with no beginning; it means that there must be a beginning for ONE THING.
Let me first prove that it is impossible to have something without beginning.

If there is no beginning then an event such as creation of an object will take an infinite time to be realized. However, we can quantify events so it means that there is a beginning.

If you didn’t understand the above then let me explain it with an example.

You can count. You can count as long as you live. But you cannot count infinitely. The whole act of counting can only be quantified if you have done counting.
Now I ask you to count down. You can even count down a very big finite number as long as you live. However, you cannot count down from infinite. The whole act of counting can only be quantified if you have done counting.

An object cannot come to existence from an infinite beginning!

In that case, some will say that I am refuting the existence of God.

Absolutely not!

Imagine the Moment Before the Creation of the universe – let us call it MBC. The notion of time-space has no existence without universe. The creation of the universe had been accompanied with the creation of time-space. The creation of mass needs time-space. It is impossible to think about mass without time-space.

The human mind, bound to reason in time-space, imagine the MBC also in time-space. As long as there is no time-space, the numbers have no logical existence. Reasoning in one-two-three is absurd at the MBC. Numbers are just an abstract representation of universal objects for human mind. Without universe, numbers have no logical existence.

While questioning the existence of God, we tend to think about Him as a corporal being. Even if one imagines God as an abstract entity without any massive or energetic existence, the very act of imagination requires time-space.

It is absurd to have one or two without time space.

42:11 …….There is nothing whatsoever like unto Him….

In fact, we use “one” for God because we don’t know how to quantify Him. In other words, it is impossible to quantify Him.

One cannot even use words such as “where”, “when”, “how” in His regard. Where implies time-space, when implies time-space, how implies time-space!

There is no “when” for Him! There is no “where” for Him. There is no “how” for Him.

When talking about His existence, there is no beginning as He exists without time-space. And when there is no time-space, all universal notions become illogical.

At the MBC, there couldn’t be two, but with my time-space bound brain, I am bound to say there was only One as I don’t know how to quantify Him other way.

Wassalam,
Navaid ANSARI.

Messages In This Thread

One creator in the beginning?
Annas -- Monday, 8 June 2009, 1:21 am
Re: One creator in the beginning?
Dr. Shabbir -- Monday, 8 June 2009, 4:14 pm
Re: One creator in the beginning?
Annas -- Monday, 8 June 2009, 6:33 pm
Re: One creator in the beginning?
Navaid ANSARI -- Friday, 12 June 2009, 9:45 pm
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MONA MIR -- Wednesday, 10 June 2009, 5:34 am
Re: One creator in the beginning?
Dr. Shabbir -- Wednesday, 10 June 2009, 2:22 pm
Re: One creator in the beginning?
Badar -- Thursday, 11 June 2009, 6:19 pm
Re: One creator in the beginning?
Behroz Batliwalla -- Thursday, 11 June 2009, 7:09 pm
Re: One creator in the beginning?
bkanwar2 -- Thursday, 11 June 2009, 10:18 pm
Re: One creator in the beginning?
bkanwar2 -- Thursday, 11 June 2009, 10:38 pm
Re: One creator in the beginning?
Behroz Batliwalla -- Friday, 12 June 2009, 10:42 am
Re: One creator in the beginning?
Badar -- Friday, 12 June 2009, 5:07 pm
Re: One creator in the beginning?
Behroz Batliwalla -- Saturday, 13 June 2009, 11:45 pm
Re: One creator in the beginning?
shahalam -- Sunday, 14 June 2009, 6:50 am
Re: One creator in the beginning?
Navaid ANSARI -- Sunday, 14 June 2009, 1:57 pm
Re: One creator in the beginning?
shahalam -- Monday, 15 June 2009, 5:05 am
Re: One creator in the beginning?
bkanwar2 -- Sunday, 14 June 2009, 3:43 pm
Re: One creator in the beginning?
bkanwar2 -- Saturday, 13 June 2009, 6:27 pm
Re: One creator in the beginning?
anwer -- Friday, 12 June 2009, 11:56 pm