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Re: One creator in the beginning?
By:Behroz Batliwalla
Date: Friday, 12 June 2009, 10:42 am
In Response To: Re: One creator in the beginning? (bkanwar2)

You wrote:

"Annas, a very good question indeed. I am surperised no one can give an answer here. Let me ask few things. How do you satisfy yourself, about this question? How do you know there is a Creator? Please look for your answer outside Quranic verse."

"Dear Behroz Peace, I never used word God. I have already rejected, all models of God, including current Islam. But let us talk about Rubb "a creator, sustainer, maintainer, nourisher and accomplisher", yours and mine and everything arround us. You, please prove to me, it does not exsist? With lots of love."

"Sorry, you I didn't pay attention to part of your post within bracket. We can prove or disprove only things, that we can percieve by our senses. Formal logic only applies to this relam. We are aware, of lots of forces and concepts, but can not put a real infellable sign on these. For instance, we know there is something called intellegence, we try to put signs, like IQ test to measure it. But does it really describe what it is? For creator himself, we know he is there. But he himself says you can coprehend me. Moment we think of something to be God it is no more God by his own defination. Question should be, why we want to prove him? Does he need us to prove him? Is this the purpose of creation? Is purpose of Quran is to prove these points? Or it means describing, the system he intend to establish via us, but all on voluntary basis."

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Dear friend B,

I need wisdom, not your love. Smile. You blurted that no one here has answered Annas.

In all kindness you need two things:

1. English classes, and 2. Psychiatric attention.

First count your spelling mistakes and grammatical errors. Hmmm, but how can you? What we don't know we don't know.

Secondly, your writing is absolutely incoherent and self-contradictory.

You say that you have rejected all models of God and then claim that "he himself says you can coprehend me".

You reject God and say, "For creator himself, we know he is there."

PROVE TO ME THAT THE CREATOR OR A SUSTAINER IS THERE.

You claim to be a Muslim but talk like me, a strict atheist. You advise others to "look for your answer outside Quranic verse."

Have coffee with me at Starbucks because both of us can make good atheistic friends. The only difference is that I am clear in my belief and you are awfully confused.

Messages In This Thread

One creator in the beginning?
Annas -- Monday, 8 June 2009, 1:21 am
Re: One creator in the beginning?
Dr. Shabbir -- Monday, 8 June 2009, 4:14 pm
Re: One creator in the beginning?
Annas -- Monday, 8 June 2009, 6:33 pm
Re: One creator in the beginning?
Navaid ANSARI -- Friday, 12 June 2009, 9:45 pm
Re: One creator in the beginning?
MONA MIR -- Wednesday, 10 June 2009, 5:34 am
Re: One creator in the beginning?
Dr. Shabbir -- Wednesday, 10 June 2009, 2:22 pm
Re: One creator in the beginning?
Badar -- Thursday, 11 June 2009, 6:19 pm
Re: One creator in the beginning?
Behroz Batliwalla -- Thursday, 11 June 2009, 7:09 pm
Re: One creator in the beginning?
bkanwar2 -- Thursday, 11 June 2009, 10:18 pm
Re: One creator in the beginning?
bkanwar2 -- Thursday, 11 June 2009, 10:38 pm
Re: One creator in the beginning?
Behroz Batliwalla -- Friday, 12 June 2009, 10:42 am
Re: One creator in the beginning?
Badar -- Friday, 12 June 2009, 5:07 pm
Re: One creator in the beginning?
Behroz Batliwalla -- Saturday, 13 June 2009, 11:45 pm
Re: One creator in the beginning?
shahalam -- Sunday, 14 June 2009, 6:50 am
Re: One creator in the beginning?
Navaid ANSARI -- Sunday, 14 June 2009, 1:57 pm
Re: One creator in the beginning?
shahalam -- Monday, 15 June 2009, 5:05 am
Re: One creator in the beginning?
bkanwar2 -- Sunday, 14 June 2009, 3:43 pm
Re: One creator in the beginning?
bkanwar2 -- Saturday, 13 June 2009, 6:27 pm
Re: One creator in the beginning?
anwer -- Friday, 12 June 2009, 11:56 pm